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    climate change is now the ultimate excuse for human error. "Climate change ate my homework."

    Forest Service says it failed to account for climate change in New Mexico blaze
    A new report lays out the agency’s actions in a planned burn that exploded into New Mexico’s largest wildfire in history.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/06/21/forest-service-report-fire-new-mexico/

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    When the U.S. Forest Service started an intentional fire in the Santa Fe National Forest in early April, the aim was to reduce the risk of a destructive blaze. But the agency relied on poor weather data and failed to understand how climate change had dried out the landscape, ultimately setting a fire that would explode into the largest wildfire in New Mexico’s history, the Forest Service said in a new report published on Tuesday.

    “Climate change is leading to conditions on the ground we have never encountered,” Forest Service chief Randy Moore said in an introduction to the 80-page report. “Fires are outpacing our models and … we need to better understand how megadrought and climate change are affecting our actions on the ground.”

    The Calf Canyon/Hermit’s Creek fire, which began as two blazes and combined to burn more than 341,000 acres and torch hundreds of homes as of Tuesday afternoon, has become the latest flash point in the debate over whether authorities should use prescribed burns — intentional fires meant to thin out flammable vegetation to lower the risk of more damaging blazes.

    The review found the planning and analysis for the April 6 prescribed burn was done according to the Forest Service’s current standards and policies, and was carried out in an approved way. But the fire was being set “under much drier conditions than were recognized.”

    “Persistent drought, limited overwinter precipitation, less than average snowpack” and fuel accumulation “all contributed to increasing the risk of fire escape,” the report said.

    The report also found that numerous details about weather conditions were “overlooked or misrepresented,” and noted some automated weather stations nearby weren’t functioning. Those setting the fire also “did not cease ignitions or suppress the prescribed fire after clear indications of high fire intensity and receptive fuels.”

    On May 20, Moore halted all prescribed burns on National Forest lands for 90 days as a safety precaution due to ongoing extreme weather. But he and others insist that such intentional burning is necessary to avoid disastrous wildfires, and that the vast majority of them do not cause problems.
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    https://www.realtor.com/news/trends/obamas-2500-gallon-propane-tank-marthas-vineyard-mansion-why/

    The Obamas also faced criticism that they didn’t opt for an eco-friendly power source like, say, solar panels.

    But with propane, the homeowners are making “a climate-favorable decision” says Cordill.

    “Propane is cleaner than grid electricity in many states, including Massachusetts. Using propane to fuel energy-dense applications in homes produces fewer emissions than if they had been powered by electricity.”

    Any heat the Obamas are receiving for their choice in fuel is misplaced, he adds.

    “The exciting news is that, while Massachusetts has added intermittent renewable solar resources to its electric grid, we have seen renewable propane delivered into New England, lowering emissions even further,” Cordill says. “Clean and renewable energy like propane accelerates decarbonization today and into the future.”
     
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    Not a single Hank Hill reference? CF.net you're slipping.
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    Leftists are so full of crap, it can not easily be exaggerated.
     
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    [Gizmodo]Why Texas Has the Country’s Worst Corn

    The ongoing megadrought is affecting crop quality and crop yield all over the U.S.


    ...a lot more at the link. Trying to adhere to current cf.net standards regarding linking full articles.
     
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    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/07/the-apocalypse-this-time.php

    2 hours ago
    The apocalypse this time
    by Scott Johnson

    I believe in the climate, but I am a climate apocalypse denier. Do the apocalypse believers really believe? The politicians make me wonder. They don’t appear to live their lives one bit differently than the rest of us — except insofar as they do so on a far greater scale of indulgence and luxury than we can imagine.

    The apocalypse believers are living out something like the state of mind Samuel Johnson formulated in connection with the sale of his friend’s brewery: “We are not here to sell a parcel of boilers and vats, but the potentiality of growing rich, beyond the dreams of avarice.” We are not here to control the climate…are you nuts?

    We have the case of President Obama’s Martha’s Vineyard beachfront mansion. What about the rising sea level? We’ll have to get back to you on that.

    We have John Kerry — U.S. Special Envoy for Climate — and his private jet travel. The New York Post’s Mark Moore reports: “Climate buster: Biden ‘green czar’ John Kerry’s jet unleashes tons of CO2.” Moore’s story is only the most recent story on the seeming Kerry kontradiction.

    Kerry eloquently explained his use of the private jet to a climate change conference in Iceland in 2019. It was “the only choice for somebody like me.” We understand.

    Kerry might prompt us to infer that what we have here is another variation of the laws that make room “for me — but not for thee.” These laws were an epidemic generated by the Covid epidemic and the era of Covid emergency rule. Indeed, they were pandemic.

    What’s past is prologue. We obviously need the declaration of a “national climate emergency” and it may be coming soon if the apocalyptics have their way.

    For those wielding power over us any proclamation that the apocalypse is nigh obviously has its uses. If they don’t live like the apocalypse is nigh, however, I’m guessing that they are apocalypse deniers too. They don’t believe in it. They aren’t hypocrites. They are just authoritarians dreaming of total control.



     
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    Good thing it's not real. Especially this week! :)
     
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    The U.S. is sweltering. The heat wave of 1936 was far deadlier.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2022/07/20/heat-wave-1936/

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    The killer U.S. heat wave of 1936 spread as far north as Canada, led to the heat-related deaths of an estimated 5,000 people, sent thermometers to a record 121 degrees Fahrenheit in Steele, N.D., and made that July the warmest month ever recorded in the United States.

    The country and much of the world are currently baking in a brutal heat wave. Britain had its hottest day on record Tuesday, with temperatures hitting 104 degrees at London Heathrow Airport. Much of central Asiahas been 20 degrees hotter than normal. And in the United States, more than 100 million Americans were under National Weather Service heat advisories or warnings Tuesday, a day after triple-digit temperaturesstretched from Texas to North Dakota.

    But in much of the central United States, summer 1936 was even hotter. At their peak, temperatures in North Dakota were warmer than midsummer Death Valley, and hot enough to cook rare steak in the street.

    Few residents struggling in those temperatures would have been able to afford such a meal: The heat wave struck during the Great Depression, six years into a sustained period of crop failure and economic hardship.

    The North American heat wave of 1936 followed one of the coldest recorded winters in the same area.

    In North Dakota, February temperatures at Devil’s Lake plunged to minus-21 degrees. Channel ice in the Illinois River at Peoria grew 19 inches thick. The Chesapeake Bay froze entirely, something that has happened only seven times since 1780. Schools closed in the Pacific Northwest, the Great Plains and the Midwest, with rural schools in Cottonwood County, Minn., losing almost a month of class time.

    Although greenhouse gases have warmed the world’s oceans since the 1830s and global warming concerns were being raised as early as 1896, the pronounced swing in temperatures in 1936 isn’t generally considered to be part of human-driven climate change.
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    It's just the summer.

    No ****s given.
     
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    The month I was born, the atmospheric carbon dioxide level was 318.51. Now, it is 417.39.

    How hot does it need to get?
    How many heat waves do we need?
    How much drought is too much?
    How many rivers need to run dry?
    What level of reduced crop yields will it take?
    How much inflation and hunger is necessary?
    How much uncertainty can we handle?

    We will get off fossil fuels. There's no other choice. The longer we wait the more difficult and disruptive it becomes. And yes, it will be difficult and disruptive but better it fall to me and my generation to make that transition than having my kids or grandkids do it in a much more hostile climate.

    My advice: don't engage with the naysayers. There's more than enough science and observational data out there. If they could be persuaded, they would have been already. Whether they realize it or not, they are tools of the delayers--delayers who want to profit as long as they can and as much as they can off of our current systems, everything else be damned.

    Put your head down and get to work. Vote accordingly. Know that the world you are in right now is not the world you think you are in. Think through the future, recognize brittleness, build your life, community, and finances for ruggedness, encourage science and democracy. Make choices not just for you, but for your family and those that will be here after you.

    Good luck all. We'll need that too.
     
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    I guess it doesn't matter now, if human race end, so be it, most of the people in the world do not care enough about this subject.
     
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