Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

At least 25 Americans were killed during protests and political unrest in 2020

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled

 

For those who just read headlines


ACLED found that the overwhelming majority of the more than 9.000 Black Lives Matter demonstrations that took place across the US after the killing of George Floyd have been peaceful.

2 of the deaths were the 2 guys killed by Rittenhouse.

 

If 3,000 BLM protests were violent, then the quote above would be true since the majority would be peaceful. So your quote is basically worthless.

The BLM protests killed dozens, injured thousands, and caused BILLIONS in property damage. It also caused a mass exodus from the cities (businesses and people). The Jan 6 "riot" was childsplay compared to what BLM did during the Summer of 2020. And there's a lot of questions about who was actually doing the rioting on Jan 6. A lot of Antifa types and political/govt operatives have been 100% confirmed to have been in the crowd.

 

Trump knowingly deceived those people who donated money, using millions of it for something entirely different than what they thought it was being used for. That's no different than asking for money for a cancer victim and spending millions on something else. You saying that's legal? Also, he has a history of that.

Nobody is saying Trump or his coup killed more people than the thugs and looters who fill the city streets around the country. We have murders and robberies every day in Houston. What I'm saying is when you have a protest going on in cities with criminals, the criminals will take advantage of the situation, and infiltrate the crowds.

That's life in the day of a criminal. But, make no mistake about the fact that Trump had criminal intent on his fundraising and planning of the coup to stay in power. Make no mistake that he played a dangerous game, and luckily the Democratic election process stood. Men like that are very dangerous, when they believe they are invincible to the law. Thank God those election officials didn't do what he wanted them to do to overturn the results.

 

thats pretty good.

im not as hardline as our glorioius president trump who said "when the looting starts, the shooting starts", but i was disgusted by the looting i saw in summer 2020 and disturbed by those idiots who burned that police station...it looked like a rage against the machine music video. it was ridiculous.

but (and this is a big but), the difference is that we didnt have a president, political party and its propaganda network inciting them. the looters did not invade our nations capitol in an attempt to subvert our democracy. the looters certainly didnt beat up cops to the degree that trump insurrectionists did and the cops certainly showed a much more brutal show of force against BLM protesters than many capitol police did on january 6th.

also worth pointing out that lots of that rioting was being done by anarchist groups who were definitely not part of BLM or the protests themselves. and i dont remember any of them running around with biden flags like you saw with all the trump insurrectionists on january 6th. there were probably more trump flags than american flags that day. they invaded the capitol b/c trump incited them with his lies. he was the sole reason they did what they did. bigly difference b/t that and the BLM protests.

the trump insurrection is the biggest threat to our democracy in any of our lifetimes and many in this country still believe and push the lies that incited it. in that respect there is no comparison b/t the BLM protests and january 6th.

as far as the politics of it, "defund the police" and the BLM protests and riots were probably the two biggest factors that cost the democrats in 2020.

 

Not my quote. It is from the posted article. So, since you apparently have an issue with it, perhaps you should contact the author of the article.

 

what exactly is the point of you posting this? im guessing you didnt read your article...most of the cases seem to be right wingers murdering BLM protestors. or a crazy homeless guy killing someone...it had nothing to do with the protests or any political motive.

Lee Keltner, a navy veteran who made custom western hats, was shot after a “patriot rally” in Denver on 10 October. Video and photographs of the incident appear to show Keltner slapping a security guard for a local news crew, who responds by pulling out a gun and shooting him.

Aaron “Jay” Danielson, a far-right Trump supporter, was shot after a rally in Portland in August. Danielson’s suspected killer, Michael Reinoehl, was a leftwing protester who called himself an “anti-fascist”, and who was later shot to death by law enforcement officials, an outcome Donald Trump referred to as “retribution”.

Garrett Foster was reportedly carrying an AK-47 rifle when he was shot to death in July by an armed man who had been driving a car through a crowd of Black Lives Matter protesters in Austin. Whether Foster threatened the driver with his gun is still disputed. The man who shot and killed Foster, the US army sergeant Daniel Perry, had previously tweeted “Now is the time to take up arms and protect yourselves against violence” and responded to a Trump tweet in June about “protesters, anarchists, agitators, looters” by saying, “Send them to Texas we will show them why we say don’t mess with Texas.”

In Kenosha in August, a 17-year-old carrying a rifle he was not old enough to legally possess shot and killed two people, Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber, and seriously injured a third at a volatile late-night protest. His lawyer has argued the teenager, who came to Kenosha from Illinois, was also acting in self-defense.

In Louisville, the photographer Tyler Gerth was shot and killed at a downtown park where protesters gathered. The alleged shooter, Steven Nelson Lopez, was homeless and had a history of severe mental illness, and had reportedly been asked to leave the park earlier because of his behavior. Many of the protesters in the park were armed and on edge, and returned fire when Lopez started shooting, local news outlets reported.

In Las Vegas, Jorge Gomez was wearing body armor and carrying several guns when he was shot to death by Las Vegas police at a protest in June. Before he was shot, several protesters told Gomez they disapproved of him being armed, and even a journalist questioned him about why he was holding his gun in his hand with his finger on the trigger, the Las Vegas Sun reported. Las Vegas police officer Shay Mikalonis was shot in the head during the same protest, and reportedly remains paralyzed from the injury. Officials have said the 20-year-old Las Vegas resident charged in the shooting had not been participating in the protest before the attack, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported.

Other law enforcement officers have been injured in non-fatal shootings this year, including two Los Angeles sheriff’s deputies shot in Compton while sitting in their patrol car in mid-September, and two Louisville police officers shot in late September during a protest over the lack of serious charges against police officers in Breonna Taylor’s killing.

James Scurlock, a Black Lives Matter protester with an infant daughter, was shot to death in Omaha in May after a confrontation with a white bar owner outside the man’s bar.

Other demonstrators died when cars drove through or rammed into crowds of Black Lives Matter protesters. Summer Taylor, a Black Lives Matter protester who worked in a veterinary clinic, was killed in such an incident in Seattle. So was Robert Forbes, a black protester from Bakersfield whose sister recalled him demonstrating decades earlier over the brutal police beating of Rodney King. In St Louis, Barry Perkins, a father of two, was killed after being dragged and run over by a FedEx truck during a protest in May.

In addition to the people killed while demonstrating, at least 14 more Americans have been killed in other incidents linked to political unrest this summer, including seven people shot during alleged looting of businesses, among them David Dorn, a retired police officer shot during the robbery of a pawn shop in St Louis; two California law enforcement officers murdered by an alleged anti-government “Boogaloo” extremist, one person found dead in a pawn shop in Minneapolis that had been set on fire; an eight-year-old shot to death in Atlanta; and a Louisville restaurant owner who was shot dead by the national guard.

 

And over 14,000 people were arrested in those protests.

What credible source has confirmed any antics/political/gov’t operatives were there on 1/6?

 

Yet you have people in here on a thread about the terrorist attack on the Capitol still bringing up BLM. It's apples and oranges comparing an insurrection and coup led by an ousted President to people protesting civil rights and injustice. It's like saying....oh, but some guy shot up kids in a school, and he killed more people than the coup did. SMH.

If it's not the Hunter Biden card it's always the BLM protesters being brought up to deflect from the topic of the thread when it involves Trump. Stick to the topic people. Desperation attempts to cherry coat an insurrection aren't working.

 

two systems of justice

 

You're rationalizing grifting.

 

Most of those killed were by right wingers according to your link.

Another link from The Guardian shows that most of the BLM protests were peaceful.

But right wingers have seen numerous scenes on Twitter and Facebook so they laugh and mock actual studies.

. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...peaceful-despite-trump-narrative-report-finds

 

I was therre the night rioters invaded the Third Precinct trying to get people to pull back. I spent several nights out protecting my neighborhood during those riots, I was tear gassed, dodged bottles thrown at me, patched up people shot by rubber bullets, and helped clean up businesses that were looted. I've been very clear here my views of those who rationalized and excused the rioting. About calling them "the language of the unheard." I can tell you from witnessing them first hand most of those involved had little to do with social justice. Most of them were opportunists, many were looking to f^(& sh^t UP! And that many among them were Boogaloo boys and Proud Boys looking to forment a race riot. Just blocks from where I'm writing right now a car with out of town plates tried to fire bomb a Somali drug store ignoring the two non-Somali businesses right next to it.

What happened in 2 years ago in Minneapolis was bad but none of that excuses or deflects from what happened at the US Capitol. There you had an attack on the seat of our government during an official action to peacefully transfer power with the intent of stopping that transfer of power. In other ways the attack on the Capitol was worse as the Capitol PD didn't appear to be as well equipped as MPD defending the Third Precinct.

I personally hope that those who looted and did damage here in Minneapolis is brought to Justice but so should all those who stormed the Capitol. It's again only this twisted zero sum view that some how talking about how bad the riots the summer of 2020 are is considered a defense for what happened on Jan. 6.

 

I will also say again any of you who continue talking about how awful the riots of 2020 were and how bad they were for this country you can do something about it. In my sig is a link to donate to help repair the damage that was done to Minneapolis from those protest.

 

I get sick of listening to these guys in here trying to deflect from the Trump led coup with either flat out warped versions of the truth or some other story that has nothing to do with the planned coup and insurrection incited by a man desperately trying to overturn the elected Presidential results and certification. Some pretend they don't support Trump and some pretend they aren't racist, but they always go back to defending the coup and deflecting by talking about BLM. It's pathetic.

 

25 deaths, most of those by the hands of right wing trigger happy gun nuts.

But let's do some match. Let's say 10 were at BLM rallies. And happened in 10 different rallies. That would mean 99.9% of BLM protests didn't result in anyone dying.

 

A fool and his money are soon parted. If they committed actual fraud, then they should be charged with fraud. If they didn't, then they shouldn't and it is no different than the fools who donated to BLM and bought those people mansions. Don't give your money to people unless you have a very firm grasp on where it is going and a legally binding contract to get it there.

The issue is that there seems to be a far higher percentage of people being charged in the Capitol riot and a much lower percentage of cases are being dismissed. The lawyers who firebombed a police car (which is clearly at least arson) were allowed to withdraw their pleas of possessing an explosive device (which was already too low a charge) and plea to conspiracy to possess an unregistered destructive device and conspiracy to commit arson (as though they didn't actually firebomb the cop car). They will probably get less time than the guy that stole the podium from the Capitol.

I have said all along that January 6 was a riot and the people should be treated as rioters. The problem many people have is they are being treated much worse than the rioters who did far more damage. Something like 90% plus of the arrests from the 2020 riots were not charged or were dismissed.

 

That has more to do with cops arresting protestors willy Milly and not having charges stick. Bad police work is what dismmises cases the most.

 

is there some kind of online guide that helps people determine which deaths "count" and which deaths are "meaningless"? that would be helpful for quick reference

 

There is a HUGE difference between a riot on the streets of some city and an insurrection and coup to stop the certification of an elected president. Stop cherry coating the significance of that day. Storming the Capitol with the Vice President inside, threatening to hang and kill him is not even in the same ballpark as BLM protests. Their attempt might have failed, but the intention was clear and present danger.