Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

Blue Lives Matter.

 

I think he must believe that Trump didn't plan and instigate a coup. Can't see any other reason to come on here posting about other stuff but never calling out Trump for lying his ass off about losing badly to a "senile man" as Trump liked to call him. Poor Donald's bully tactics backfired. It probably eats at him every day that he lost so badly.

 

To be fair, Van Dyk is an old (literally - he's got to be in his 80's) Democrat, who worked in the Kennedy and Johnson administrations, serving as an assistant to VP Hubert Humphrey, for example. If he writes a column critical of Democrats, whether in the White House or in Congress, he can get published in the WSJ or get play on Fox News.

The difference with Van Dyk is that he delights in taking shots at Democratic leadership, but as a Democrat. Os likes to pretend to be a Democrat, but doesn't support the Democratic Party. Democrat Ted Van Dyk will, if he can find something he likes and a venue to publish it. Those are hard for him to find these days.

 

false on both counts

 

LOL.

You can't walk and chew gum.... Sad!

The lengths your ilk goes to minimize your lack of accountability.

 

I'm pretty sure there are Republican voters out there watching the hearings too. I know they all don't believe Trump's lies. I'm sure a lot of his voters got disgusted over the coup and want to see what evidence comes forth. It might open a few eyes actually to learn more about the depths he went to to deceive them, and incite an insurrection.

Some people actually believe in right and wrong, regardless of what party they belong to. I'm sure some feel conned, some are disgusted, and some were sickened by the insurrection that day.

 

So Democracy cannot function if there are no global problems ever??? Seems like you are just someone who is promoting authoritarianism then.

Fyi gas is like 9 dollars a gallon in Canada right now. Are they suspending their democracy right now too so they can focus on gas prices??

 

lol

 

Exactly this - can’t agree enough haha

 

Well Trump thinks it was OK.
And I'll just repost this again.
Does this just look like some guy in a Chewbacca Bikini.

 

Just to restate since apparently many seem to have selective memories or are listening to selective sources.
The attempt to overthrow the government wasn't only due to invasion of the Capital by Trump supporters. Nor was it a coup of rolling in tanks to take over the government.

It was overturning a democratic election that was carried out fairly using a combination of Congressional and elector moves along with outside pressure

It involved:
1. State Republicans submitting an alternate set of Electors.
2. Members of Congress raising objections to accepting the official Electors from several states.
3. Protesters causing enough chaos to pressure and frighten members of Congress and VP Pence to be willing to reject official electors
4. VP Pence then either sending Electors back to the states for the states to reconsider Electors or invalidating Electors outright.
5. VP Pence announcing there isn't enough Electors to certify a winner and having the House of Representatives vote on the new President.
6. The House Vote isn't a vote by each representative but each state get's a vote and Republicans hold the edge in the number of state delegations.
7. Trump is reinstated as President.

Trump advisor Peter Navarro admitted to such and called it 'The Green Bay Sweep'. He described it publicly on TV.


Most of those steps are illegal and all are undemocratic. Pence fully understood he didn't have the Constitutional power to do that. Trump publicly pressured him to do so and the mob threatened him. What we are finding out from these hearings is that Trump and those closest to him knew that there was no basis to the claims that the election was stolen, in the words of Barr "Bullshit" but still pressed with them anyway.

 

preach it brother

 

At this point it's really not debatable. It's a clear and present danger, and if anyone scoffs off the magnitude of what happened by now then they don't care what the GOP will do to get back in power. It's as simple as that. Democratic election process be damned.

 

first, youre either lying or ignorant.
second, poll after poll shows that republicans are totally detached from reality.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...epublicans-sympathize-with-jan-6-rioters-poll
Three-Quarters of Republicans Sympathize With Jan. 6 Rioters: Poll
A similar number of Republicans, 78% believe an investigation into the day’s actions is a ‘waste of time.’

While 96% of Democrats believe President Joe Biden was legitimately elected, just 33% of Republicans believe that to be the case. Two percent of Democrats and 58% of Republicans believe Biden was wrongly inaugurated, despite numerous audits and court cases affirming Biden's win.

The survey found that 85% of Democrats believed the attackers to be criminals, with 13% saying they went too far, but had a point, and 1 percent saying they acted appropriately, while 17% of Republicans labeled the Jan. 6 attackers as criminals. Nearly two-thirds of GOPers, 66%, said the attackers had a point but went too far, and 11% said they acted appropriately.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ha...t-led-jan-6-violence-reutersipsos-2022-06-09/
Half of U.S. Republicans believe the left led Jan. 6 violence:
Although 55% of the Republicans polled said they believed the riot was led by violent left-wing protesters, nearly all of the 840 people arrested following the attack have been Trump supporters, according to U.S. prosecutors, and FBI Director Christopher Wray has said there was no evidence leftist extremists disguised themselves as Trump supporters during the attack.

The poll found 58% of Republicans said they believed most of the protesters were peaceful and law-abiding, even though four people died on the day of the attack, at least 140 police were assaulted, and one Capitol Police officer who fought against the rioters died the next day.

About two-thirds of Republicans believe the 2020 presidential election was stolen from Trump, a persistent view even though state and federal judges dismissed more than 50 lawsuits brought by Trump and his allies challenging the election while reviews and audits found no evidence of widespread fraud.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/january-6-capitol-attack-cbs-news-poll-analysis/


Most Americans have described what happened on Jan. 6, 2021 as an insurrection and have said it was an attempt to overturn the election and the government. But just about one in five Republicans have seen it that way. Nearly half of Republicans have said what happened at the Capitol was patriotism, and a majority of them have described it as protecting freedom.

 

I don't remember Trump wearing a Chewbacca bikini? I don't even want to see that.


See this is the disconnect between the right and moderates/leftists/liberals etc. Proud Boy members are nothing but grunts. The people who instigated the narrative and conditions for those grunts to storm the capitol building are some of the most powerful people in this country starting with Trump.

You can see how Trump views groups like the Proud Boys when he tells them to "stand by" (a term used towards military members to "be ready" essentially). He sees them as a arm of his political apparatus and political goals.

 

which is it

 

I guess the good part in those polls is that there are a few Republicans who aren't dumb enough to think those Trump guys were left leaning groups. At least some disapprove of an insurrection to keep Trump in power.

 

you tell me...
if you knew the meme you posted was B.S. then youre lying.
if you didnt then youre ignorant.