Psaki Says "Gender Affirming Care" for Kids Is 'Best Practice'

So what are the stats of young people who regret transitioning?

https://www.gendergp.com/detransition-facts/




So your issue is already a thing in other countries and it appears to be leading to negative outcomes for trans people who already make up a small number of the total population. And you're advocating on behalf of the even smaller number within the trans community who regret their decision because...think of the children that regret it, but not the overwhelming majority of young people who don't. They can suffer for years and years. Got it.

 

Forcing a child who identifies as transgender to go through puberty as a gender they don't identify as is pretty horrific. A 13 year old should have some say in that decision.

 

Isn't puberty a natural manipulation of the human body? A body a trans person doesn't want to be attached to because it's not a body they identify with? Is there same cause for concern with steroid use among high school athletes encouraged by their coaches and parents so they can increase their odds of becoming a college or possibly even a pro athlete?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educ...der-more-than-one-third-them-attempt-suicide/

Only 2% of people in high school identify as trans. Of that 2%, less than 2% regret transitioning.

Compare to steroid abuse in high school which get this, manipulates the human body.

https://www.nfhs.org/articles/infographic-steroid-abuse-in-high-school-and-college-athletes/

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/teens-and-steroids-dangerous-combo#:~:text=Various studies have been conducted,least once in their lives.

So a greater population of people abuse steroids in high school among both men and women but because it can get NCAA and professional sports entities ratings and bring in money by recruiting or hiring them, it's not treated as a big deal at all. You're on a sports forum after all and I seriously doubt you've made any hyperbolic posts regarding steroid abuse among teenagers and young adults. Where's the 34 page thread where you and tinman go on and on about high school boys and girls abusing their bodies for sports entertainment?

I mean no one cares if Westlake athletes juice in Austin as long as they can compete for state titles and then get recruited over to UT. But a smaller population of people who can't be profited off their bodies and wish to change it by their own autonomy is abhorrent, even with a support system in place by having licensed therapists for counseling and a team of specialist doctors in place to assist every step of the way. Makes sense.







And that is just one single college university and one single professional sports league that profits off teenagers and young adults who as you say, manipulate their bodies.

What do you think is the total sum of profit in all sports that benefits from teenagers and young adults who manipulate their bodies? And what of other industries that benefit from sports existing like gambling? Doesn't that benefit places like Vegas and Reno and online betting sites? Then there's marketing for merchandise like shoe deals and clothing apparel and mar1juana edibles and alcohol. Would probably total in the billions annually if you were to add it all up and it comes off the backs of teenagers and young adults who again manipulate their bodies. Yet no outrage.

In fact, we're all fans here on a Houston Rockets forum hoping our draft picks lead to championship glory. Right?

 

Since "grooming" was a big part of this thread. I was just listening to an interview with Annie Farmer who was one of Ghislane Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein's victims. She was just talking about how sexual predators use grooming. She also said that the term "grooming" is being appropriated and misused by many others and in some cases to spread information. That things like sex education isn't grooming and that it can help making young people less vulnerable to predators.

 

Its going to fall on deaf ears. Its hit meme culture now

 

This is an example of what I mean of just completely ignoring the points people are making and just regurgitating your original premise. You constantly do this and I'm pretty sure at this point the goal is dopamine hits from your perception of manipulating people's emotions.

 

I have a question. If a 13 year old feels that they are so out of place in their current gender that they are seriously contemplating suicide should they then still be denied gender transitioning?

 

This all is starting to feel like a moral panic rather than something real. I know 1 adult and know of 1 or 2 teenagers who have “transitioned”. The teens were pretty effeminate at baseline. What is real is all these teens abusing prescription pills whether it’s adderall or opioids.

 

That CONSERVATIVE Utah governor's statement after vetoing a anti-trans bill sums up the situation amazingly in my opinion:

"Four kids and only one of them playing girls sports. That's what all of this is about. Four kids who aren't dominating or winning trophies or taking scholarships. Four kids who are just trying to find some friends and feel like they are a part of something. Four kids trying to get through each day. Rarely has so much fear and anger been directed at so few. I don't understand what they are going through or why they feel the way they do. But I want them to live. And all the research shows that even a little acceptance and connection can reduce suicidality significantly. For that reason, as much as any other, I have taken this action in the hope that we can continue to work together and find a better way. If a veto override occurs, hope we can work to find ways to show these four kids that we love them and they have a place in our state."

 

This is a pretty good example of manufactured outrage by the politicians on the Right.

@AroundTheWorld

 

n/m let's see if there is any actual honest answer.

 

That was a great statement and unfortunately these days qualifies as political courage.

I've said this several times as someone who coached a trans athlete. This is a problem on the margins. Trans people make up less than 1% of the population and out that 1% not all of them are going to become athletes. Even if there is more acceptance of trans people I doubt that will lead to a massive increase of trans athletes or much other wider effect on society.

I agree that transitioning is a huge step and it should be approached with caution. Anyone thinking of transitioning even an adult should get counseling and be very well informed of what is involved including what could go wrong. Banning it though outright needs to be weighed against where children who feel so out of place in their gender might take their own lives.

 

Turns out there is one kid, one, in Kentucky who is now banned from playing on the field hockey team she helped organize.

So much time and effort spent on this for what? I understand, and agree with, the need to protect women's sports at higher levels of competition. But spending three years to pass a bill that excludes one middle schooler seems a bit cruel to me.