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Bernie to Dems: Change course before you nosedive in November

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Reeko, Jun 10, 2022.

  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Bernie lost, his movement does not have the votes to win anything the Dems are not as cohesive as the GOP, who thump their bibles and vote for their own interests....the dems are much more diverse.

    However, outside of Obama and Clinton - there hasn't been a great leader to get people going.....Biden is a nice change of pace from Trump.......but he is not a great President.

    And we don't have a single person to get behind.......we need someone to separate themselves.......someone with charisma - Beto like, or Buttigeg - and we need someone that is TECH savvy to fight the meme culture with truth.

    DD
     
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  2. fchowd0311

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    Do you know how inflation happens? It's a balancing act between supply and demand. When demand heavily exceeds supply, you have inflation. At least that is one way that inflation happens.

    Supply chain issues are still absolutely horrible still to this day. As a mechanical design engineer, for the past year we've had severe struggles to source basic parts like pneumatic solenoid blocks. That's a small example of thousands of issues we are dealing with in terms of supply chain. This is pervasive throughout industry right now.


    You know what helps alleviate supply chain issues?

    Infrastructure.

    But unfortunately that's a long term solution where the fruits of those investments don't see their pickings untill years down the road.

    But most of America is lizard brain like where short term numbers is all that matters. We are a society that spins around chaising our own tails only looking months in advance rather than years or god forbid decades.
     
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  3. Rocket River

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    By and Large
    Most black people are pretty ambivalent about it
    Really reaching a point of not caring either way

    It starts to feel like a Ganster's Racket
    Republicans: Nice Group you got there. . . . would be so sad if something happened to it.
    Democrats: Look Look Look . .. we will protect you from them . . .just give us those votes.

    Honestly. . . . more and more black people are beginning to feel like it doesn't even matter who is in charge.

    Rocket River
     
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  4. Rocket River

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    and even if we give them two more senators. . . .. then it would be something else
    it is always something else

    Another Bingo
    Democrats don't really *know* those parts of the base
    They . .. not unlike Republicans. .. think they can dictate values to them

    Leadership
    What Bernie is talking about
    Both of them are near unelectable.
    I am hoping but I don't think they got the Motts


    Rocket River
     
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  5. fchowd0311

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    We had a supermajority for 2 years under Obama and no establishment of abortion rights into law and no public option. Even when there is a super majority of Democrats, what the moderates pretends to want to pass through lip service never gets passed.
     
  6. Rocket River

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    Exactly. Young people. . .not just black or minority
    became super disillusioned during the time that Obama wasted time and opportunity "reaching across the aisle"
    to a group that 1. said they had no intention of working with you and 2. The Public Mandate told you they didn't give a damn about them and wanted you to shove your agenda through like they do . ...

    They lose the supermajority 2 yrs later. . .then said they couldn't get anything else passed then because they needed more of our votes after they squandered our votes for 2 yrs

    Rocket River
     
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  7. dobro1229

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    I would actually say that Biden is exactly who our Democratic system is built to have as president. Our system isn’t built to elect charismatic and polarizing celebrities. The framers wanted slow and boring. They wanted calm. They wanted extremely measured senior officials with a ton of experience and a ton of debate before major decisions.

    They wanted the opposite of King George III.

    Unless people actually do want our Constitutional Republic to become a reality TV show that attracts narcissistic autocrats instead of experienced statesmen and women, I personally think people who grow a spine and show more public support for Biden.

    Maybe the problem is thinking we need to sell boring as bad and convince people Biden is something he is not. The fact is though that this is a referendum election and it is about continuing to expel Trump from our political system. A big reason why gas prices are so high driving inflation is a direct result of his corrupt partnership with MBS and the Saudis who are playing games with gas prices likely in collusion with Trump and his oil and gas billionaire donors.

    The facts are the facts. We have to speak the truth there and not try and dress up a meaningless EO that doesn’t address the 3,000 pound elephant in the room which is political corruption from the Trump/GOP cancer playing games for political power.
     
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    Housing and equities rode an unholy bubble started by Trump Powell and for some reason Biden Powell. The everything bubble will deflate like a two year whoopie cushion and the Dems will foot that political bill for not having economic values or long term prudence to stand up against the ultra wealthy looting from the American people.

    Trump b****ed and moaned for his Fed choice. Biden was like it ain't broke... right? I guess you can stay multimillionaire Jay Powell.

    Washington is just greasy AF. You had members of the Fed running trades until some outward semblance to stop that conflict of interest. Temporarily-appointed-likely-with-bribes Georgia Barbie drew attention for her inside trades with nothing done by Congress to fix what Pelosi and MTG have enjoyed. Do your inside trades right and on the down low!!

    That bailout of junk rated bonds during the March 2020 crash might be costly for the Fed as higher interest rates persist (from 400-800 billion with current rates!)... Doesn't matter since it's all ledger money to be deferred ad infinitum, but no hundred billion dollar refund check for Congress to fritter away on their budget...

    So yeah. Bernie maybe onto something. Do nothing party vs can't do nothing because we also like enriching ourselves but we can't openly admit it party.

    Seems like our system isn't designed for internal cleansing and has to settle for Trump style rat****ery
     
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  9. Os Trigonum

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    oh boy
     
  10. dobro1229

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    Trust me… I wish it wasn’t the case. I didn’t ask for Kushner to make a 2 billion dollar deal with a murdering Saudi prince.
     
  11. Reeko

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    it’s a jigglylie special…can’t even read what is posted, and then comes in posting nonsense like he’s actually saying something
     
  12. Reeko

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    notice how he couldn’t give a reply
     
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    this is what the Party of Expel Trump™ has already done. Not sure we need more of the same.

    Should Biden Run in 2024? Democratic Whispers of ‘No’ Start to Rise.
    In interviews, dozens of frustrated Democratic officials, members of Congress and voters expressed doubts about the president’s ability to rescue his reeling party and take the fight to Republicans.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/11/us/politics/biden-2024-election-democrats.html
     
  14. Invisible Fan

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    Used hybrids can halve the gas price but you won't find the ladies dropping panties for them. I agree the messaging suck wrt EVs, as usual for dems, since it can sound callous and is overwhelmingly urban centric where most of the charging stations are located.

    I think we're lacking with transitioning/execution on lofty ideas. EVs at scale will need more energy and water intense resources that China has currently cornered. I read the Summit of the Americas could've been a great opportunity to secure lithium and other precious minerals from Chile but most of the press is over snubs and boycotts...just weird moralistic Imperialist drama we've more or less demanded and expect yet still haven't realized that Latin America has been maturing without us since Bush decided to go all in on the Middle East and central Asia.

    Another example is uranium. Spot prices for it has risen, but a good chunk of the available offerings came from Russia decommissioning their cold war stockpiles. If we ramp up traditional reactors, another bottleneck arises from a state we're not friendly with.

    Just pure laziness all around. MAGA Cons swayed by slogans and tweets. Prog Libs with blog posts and 2-4 page articles with all the answers. Repeat it ad nauseum in their respective chambers, and these become truths....Untested and fragile truths.

    I guess it sounds unfair since we've relied on private industry to get things moving. The will and drive of the common person seems to be wasted. Have we become cynical or complacent to leave it up to the entrepreneurs and profit seekers to roll up their sleeves and get things done?

    The ones who do make it, like Elon with his rockets, we mostly admire and accept his gains, despite fears of his gross accumulation of wealth tipping scales overwhelmingly to his favor. Solve problems, get rewarded.... but for politicians and bureacrats, that story doesn't always have a happy ending, if ever. The real victories are generally more silent and unspoken from the masses.
     
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    You don’t understand what issues have polled overwhelmingly well over the last several years. Many of which Bernie has touted. Those are the issues specifically regardless of what LA mayor race San Francisco etc.

    mar1juana legalization. Healthcare. Vast chasm the size of Grand Canyon income disparity. And more. All while the plebes blame each other. The machinations of the media, propaganda, Repubs and Dems elites have done their job so well they have you so turned around and confused you don’t know what to think.
     
  16. Reeko

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    A few weeks ago, Gallup released results comparing Biden's approval rating since October with the first six months of his administration. Much attention has been paid to his 20-plus-point drops with young adults and Hispanics.

    Far less noted was that Biden's approval rating among Black adults stood at a mere 67%. That was down 20 points, from 87% at the beginning of his presidency, which was fairly in line with the percentage of Black voters who backed him in 2020.

    To put this in context, Obama's approval rating with Black adults never dropped below 75% in any individual Gallup poll. Averaged across time, it almost always stayed safely above 80%.

    Perhaps, it was the fact that Biden's approval rating with Black adults remains high when compared with other groups that the 20-point decline didn't get much notice. Regardless, the Gallup poll is hardly alone.

    Our most recent CNN/SSRS poll on the subject found Biden's approval with Black adults was 69%. It stood at 74% with Black voters. A recent Quinnipiac University poll put Biden's approval rating with Black adults at 64%. A Pew Research Center poll last month had him at 72% among Black voters.

    All these polls showed Biden losing a disproportionate amount of support from Black adults (and voters).

    Of course, a president losing support with a group doesn't necessarily translate to changes in electoral preferences. Biden may be down with younger voters, but, as I've noted, their midterm preferences should not be drastically different from how they voted in 2020, even considering the current national environment for Democrats.

    An examination of the generic congressional ballot indicates, though, that Black voters, at this point, seem far less likely to vote Democratic than you might expect given their voting history.

    Take a look at an average of polls -- from CNN, Fox, Quinnipiac and Pew -- over the last few months. Democrats have a 62-point lead among Black voters, 73% to 11%. That may seem large, but it's small from a historical standpoint.

    The 2020 network exit polls had Democrats winning the national House vote among Black voters by 75 points (87% to 12%). The data firm Catalist
    calculated that Democrats won by 79 points (89% to 10%). Averaged together, Black voters went Democratic by a 77-point margin in the 2020 House vote.

    and it’s not just black people, they are losing noticeable support from all key voting blocs including young people, Asians, Hispanics, etc

    voter enthusiasm is laughably low

    and the response we get is simple minded talking points like it’s the bases’ fault or some distraction about how Progressives are losing races as if that’s relevant to what is being discussed…

    and what u constantly say is right…these people won’t flock to the Republican Party in droves, they simply become disillusioned and won’t vote because there is no point in voting for someone who continuously can’t get anything done
     
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    Buttigeg has the charisma of a brick. Even in his own puff piece documentary, his advisors and husband talk about how he's so robotic. He's not the guy.

    This is a huge problem for the Dems: that they have no up and comer, and they also have no young person to take Bernie's role as the real progressive. He's 9,000 years old and shouldn't still be the main guy.
     
  18. Os Trigonum

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    three words: AOC
     
  19. Air Langhi

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    Democrats really only have 48 members in the senate. If he doesn't understand how anything works he needs to maybe to stop talking.

    The number one they should be focusing on is healthcare. At least you know how much an iphone costs or gas costs. You have no idea if you go into the hospital what you are going pay. If you go into an in network hospital and the doctor there is an out of network provider you are going to get a big bill. Or if you need insulin are insured.
     
  20. Reeko

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    Pete’s support among black people is basically nonexistent, he has no chance…Idk why people keep bringing him up
     
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