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Bernie to Dems: Change course before you nosedive in November

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Reeko, Jun 10, 2022.

  1. Reeko

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    Bernie Sanders has something to get off his chest: Without a course correction, he sees the Democratic Party on track to get shellacked this fall.

    As the progressive Vermonter, not one to mince words, put it in an interview on Tuesday: “You really can’t win an election with a bumper sticker that says: ‘Well, we can’t do much, but the other side is worse.’”

    “The Republicans stand an excellent chance of gaining control of the House and quite possibly the Senate,” Sanders said. While the GOP’s anti-abortion stance and opposition to more sweeping firearm restrictions may help Democrats, he warned that if they “think that they’re gonna march to victory based on those issues, I think that that is not correct.”

    With the majorities flashing before Democrats’ eyes, the independent who caucuses with them is asking his leadership, from President Joe Biden on down, to acknowledge that the party can’t actually do what it wants with two centrist senators as their deciding votes. After that real talk, Sanders wants Democrats to make the case for more Democratic power in 2023 — through a Newt Gingrich-style “Contract with America.”

    It’s a long-shot attempt to break the malaise hanging over the Democratic Party as Biden’s polling remains underwater and its senators grow nervous about holding their majority with Republicans favored to take the House. Many Democrats are hoping bad Republican candidates, a Biden rebound or a last-minute flurry of modest legislation could help save their congressional majorities.

    Sanders, though, is done with such happy thoughts.

    “Say to the American people: ‘Look, we don’t have the votes to do it right now. We have two corporate Democrats who are not going to be with us,’” Sanders said, referring to Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.).

    “The leadership has got to go out and say we don’t have the votes to pass anything significant right now. Sorry. You got 48 votes. And we need more to pass it. That should be the message of this campaign.”

    Sanders’ call comes at a precarious moment for the party. Last year, Democrats united to pass a $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief bill, then worked with Republicans to pass a historic infrastructure bill. But Manchin rejected the larger climate-and-jobs bill known as “Build Back Better” in December, and efforts to sway him and Sinema to weaken the legislative filibuster ran aground.

    That left the party in nominal power stalled on everything from abortion rights to guns to elections reform.

    Or, in the words of Sanders: “Two corporate Democrats, Sens. Manchin and Sen. Sinema, sabotaged [Build Back Better]. And it has been downhill ever since for the Democratic Party.”

    Manchin took strong exception to Sanders’ comment, saying in a statement that “I have never berated Sen. Sanders for his socialist views. It is a shame he refuses to accept the more moderate views I share with my constituents.”

    Sinema declined to comment for this story. She was widely seen within the caucus as far more supportive of the House-passed $1.75 trillion party-line bill, stocked with Democratic priorities, than Manchin.

    has similarly raised alarms about Democrats’ situation, pushing her party to deliver before the election. Warren and Sanders both serve on Schumer’s leadership team, but she’s striking a more restrained tone than Sanders — even while she agrees with him that “we need to make clear to the American people that we need two more Democrats in the United States Senate.”

    “No. 1 on our to-do list is to do the things that we can. And No. 2 is to drive home how the Republicans are blocking us in critical areas from doing the things that this nation desperately needs on abortion, guns, voting rights,” Warren said. “We need to hammer the Republicans relentlessly on what they won’t do.”
     
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    Still, Sanders isn’t exactly Berning it all down. He’s not calling for a primary challenge to Biden or weighing in on whether the president should run for reelection. But he is trying to enlist the president in his effort to nationalize the Senate and House races.

    Biden has already embraced some of Sanders’ arguments. The president asked Americans alarmed by mass shootings to “turn your outrage into making this issue central to your vote,” advised voters to “elect more pro-choice senators” in May, noted in January that “48 of the 50 Democrats vote with me on everything” and said Democrats could come back with larger majorities next year to pass “Build Back Better.”

    Sanders wants an even more sustained focus from Biden, advising him to say “I want to raise the minimum wage, I want to deal with Medicare, I want to deal with housing, I want to deal with climate, I can’t do it. I need more votes.” Sanders also is leaning on Biden to do as much as he can through executive action on those issues.

    The White House did not respond to Sanders’ comments.

    Without his prescribed pivot, Sanders fears the worst for the Democratic Party, in which he twice sought the presidential nomination. He said “the enthusiasm level within the Democratic base is extremely low. And it’s not only working class support that is fading away.”

    Young, Hispanic, Asian-American and Black voters are all drifting away from Democrats, he warned: “Unless we turn around, the voter turnout is going to be very, very low on the Democratic base.”

    Most Democrats don’t quite share that dour assessment. Sen. Gary Peters (D-Mich.), who chairs the caucus’ campaign arm, agreed that he’s “all about having 52 or more senators” and campaigning on unfinished business. But Peters doesn’t believe that Democrats are walking into a buzzsaw this fall.

    “You’ve got folks who are running who are still about the Big Lie or trying to be the closest to Trump they can be, out of touch on key issues,” Peters said. “There’s gonna be a clear contrast for voters in the fall.”

    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/09/bernie-sanders-democrats-midterms-00038183

     
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  3. Ubiquitin

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    OK Bernie.

    Us Democrats are going to get slaughtered regardless. It’s off cycle and we are party in power. And everything is awful so that’s x2. No one gives a **** about public options when they otherwise cannot afford to do the essentials to just survive.
     
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    So let me get this straight?

    Does he think that running on that stuff with inflation and gas prices is a winning platform?

    And he thinks running on that stuff will attract more Hispanics, AA's and Asians?

    I think Bernie is getting further and further out of touch.
     
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  5. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    He is right, Biden and company should be talking directly to the American people, call to carpet the blockers......DIRECTLY....

    McConnell is blocking gun legislation......lay it at his feet.

    BE DIRECT.

    DD
     
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    yeah, because what they’ve been doing so far has been working out so well…

    more like the party apologists are incredibly out of touch
     
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    So Bernie is saying that Dems should be honest and forthright about their situation, and focus on the issues people care about. Whereas 'most Democrats' think "nah, let's just talk about Trump."

    Sweet. This is a great system we have, folks.
     
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    Agree with him on a Contract with America - no idea why neither party has duplicated that stroke of brilliance. You take super popular issues, bulletpoint them, and then just talk about them over and over.

    Disagree with him though on nationalizing the races (despite the Contract with America). With a crappy national mood, individual Dems have to be more appealing than the party as a whole, which means talking local issues and personalizing the races. That is, unless a Contract with America can fix the Dem party image.
     
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    LOL.

    Just because I don't think what Bernie is selling is going to work in the current climate I am a party apologist?

    Do you really think raising taxes is something to run on the currently?
     
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    Conservatives should not take the curb stomping for granted and should get out and vote. The dems had their chance with the full government and blew it. Hopefully Joe doesnt get desperate and forgive student loans thinking that will get votes. More stimulus would just increase inflation.
     
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    I'm sure they'll consider his advice instead of attacking him now
     
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    Dems have not had control, Joe Machin and company are not dems.

    DD
     
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    raising the minimum wage is supported by the majority of Americans, and especially African Americans and other minorities…

    so is Medicare expansion…

    And your idea to stop losing minorities is what exactly? Continue to sit there and talk about Trump?
     
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    [​IMG]

    let’s hope Republicans keep screwing up and enough people still hate Trump enough to head to the polls, because we all know the Dems themselves can’t motivate their own base
     
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    Are people really worried about medicare, and climate currently?

    How are people worried about minimum wage when unemployment is low and wages are higher?

    Nobody is really working for minimum wage currently are they?

    No most Democrats do not think let's just talk about Trump, where are you getting that from? Most Democrats are saying you can't just talk about Trump.

    People are worried about inflation and gas prices if Bernie can't see that he is more out of touch than I thought.

    One of the Democrat's biggest weaknesses is Republicans blaming inflation on all of the stimulus yet Bernie is advocating more government spending?
     
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    Just once I would like to be a part of one of these polls...

    Just once!!!!

    T_Man
     
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    That's more a problem with the base and not the Dems if they still need to motivated.
     
  18. Reeko

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    more party apologist talking points
     
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    So you got nothing just calling people names that don't agree with you.

    But its the "Democrats" fault?

    Yeah, it is the Democrat's fault because of the division within we can't compromise on anything it has to be my way or the highway.

    Look in the mirror dude and then ask the question why?
     
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    I’m done with the party apologist talking points

    everything that polls well with the base, they can’t get passed…they can’t motivate their base, the President’s approval rating is laughable, they’re steady losing minority support, and they suck at messaging…oh, and then people brought up to succeed geriatric Biden are Kamala Harris or Pete Buttigieg…and then u wonder why people aren’t eager to go vote right now

    lmao

    u need to look in the mirror, but that would require opening your eyes 1st
     

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