Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

You're distracted from the matter at hand. There is video testimony of AG Barr, Ivanka and others saying that President Trump was told and knew that he had lost the election, fair and square. He said, and continues to say, the exact opposite in public. This refusal to acknowledge reality undermines our system of government and opens up a can of worms that pushes our democracy into failed state territory if allowed to continue unchecked.

The mob at the capitol was the visceral result of months of public lying, but the real scandal is that 145 GOP members of Congress voted with that lie and were willing to throw our democracy out the window based on one man's ego. The president of the United States tried to get his vice president to unilaterally overturn the results in his favor. He agreed that he should hanged for not doing this!

I don't think any of you understand the implications of turning the US into a dictatorship overnight. You think inflation is bad now? Imagine if our government had been overthrown in service of Donald Trump and what that would've done to global economic confidence.

Finally, you all keep accusing the Democrats of putting on a show trial. What are Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger to you? Do their voting records indicate that they're Democrats?

 

Did you watch the hearing?

 

A lot of people had (and still have) questions about how the election went down, and not because Trump told them so. I don't understand why Dems tend to treat the general public like they don't think on their own and are only "yes master" when it comes to anything their political leaders say, maybe it's because they treat their own followers that way (and many lib voters tend to lack independent thought).

 

I sure did, and Cheney straight up partially quoted Trump's Tweet, left out sentence where he said "go home, and in peace."

 

The general public is in broad agreement that the 2020 election was fair, but a "majority of Republicans believe there was widespread fraud. Those voters were most likely to cite information from Trump and Fox News as the basis for that view."

For those who still do not trust the results, who do you need to hear say that there was no widespread fraud in order to believe it? The courts, state election commissions, state legislatures, independent audits, non-Fox media, the former Republican attorney general, the president's daughter/senior adviser, the last White House chief of staff (in secret, though) etc. have all said there was no fraud and that the results are authentic. Who, in your mind, is capable of answering these questions if not all of these people and institutions?

If you feel like all of these "Dems" are talking down to you, whose word will you finally believe? Because, despite your assertion that GOP voters have doubts "not because Trump told them so," that seems to be the only reason they still have doubts.

 

The traitors should be put on trial on TV and forced to answer questions from the citizenship test that immigrants have to take...I'd pay to see that

 

That's like telling a group of people there is a factory next door that is ripping live toddlers apart as we speak for organ harvesting and then be like "go home in peace guys".

When you create a fake narrative where the only recourse would be violent action due to the stakes involved, you are responsible for any violent recourse people take to your fake narrative that implies extreme high stakes(a illegal usurper is about to go into the white house effectively ending our democracy and all legal recourse has already been spent).

 

what is the opposing viewpoint to the investigation of january 6th?

it was pelosis fault. or as kevin mccarthy said, "its all of our fault"?

 

It's like being upset that the media didn't show the end of the ISIS beheading video when they said "Allāhu ʾakbar"

 

If you actually talk to people that had questions about the election, you'll see their opinion is from their own personal observations. I have watched every election night my entire life. Never had a seen counts stop, in several swing states, with one candidate on top, then have counts resumed with the leaders flipped on account of overnight mail in votes. Maybe that it is all legit, maybe not, but a lot of folks wanted to know more about how that happened, how it was monitored, supervised, and the authenticity of what was in those bags. I am not of the position that the election was "stolen," I am of the position that I haven't seen or heard enough presented, either side, to know for sure. I would just say I have "questions."

 

As suspected, it really does not matter the amount of evidence you throw at these people, they will continue to deny reality and fervently so. And the sad thing is they will continue parroting fox news points. They will say a lot of people had questions about how the election went down when they all are taking their stance on what Trump said. You really can't argue with dumb and ignorant.

 

if Trump went on TV and conceded that he lost, almost nobody would believe the lie that the election was stolen. Maybe the misinformation that built their belief that the election was stolen came from someone other than Trump, but the reason such misinformation was even shared in the first place was because of Trump’s public statements.

Democrats believe people like you can’t think critically because you demonstrate an inability to think for yourselves over and over.

 

Basic intellectual curiosity rather than narrative hunting would answer why this happened:



The term "red mirage" was coined months before the election by data experts due to the covid narrative difference between the two parties.

Conservatives were fervently against mail in ballots that election cycle while also downplaying the effects of covid making conservative voters far more likely to vote in person while Democrats put the fear of God into their voters about covid where a significant percentage more Democrat voters decided to do mail in ballots.

Specific conservative state legislators also knew this in advance and made last minute procedural changes to vote counting where they made sure all the in person votes were counted first and the mail in votes counted later. They also know how stupid folks like you are and know this would be a way to fool people that something "fishy" is happening.

 

Unless you were in the room where votes were counted or courtrooms where cases were duly adjudicated, then your doubts are based on media you have consumed, not firsthand accounts. And you're essentially saying there is no information you could consume now, because it seems that you're not reading court filings or full election commission reports, that will change your mind.

 

You don't understand. Reading court filings and legal documents is much harder than watching a Stephen Crowder YouTube video. What takes more time and intellectual curiosity? Why would you expect a poster like @SuraGotMadHops to take those steps?

His goal is to source easily digestible information that already massages his preconceived narratives.

 

What I am describing was my live reaction on election night, before Trump said anything.

 

HOURS LATER... after supporters and at least 2 kids were telling him to call it off.

And his full quote was:

""This was a fraudulent election, but we can't play into the hands of these people," Trump said in the video. "We have to have peace. So go home. We love you; you're very special.""

And remember when a handful of black athletes peacefully protested by kneeling for the anthem, his quote was:

"Fire the SOBs"

 

You must mean GOP 2016 primary election nights, right? Because Trump said he'd only accept the results if he won back in 2016.

 

Trump and the GOP were making claims that the election was rigged before election day.

How about this. Link the archived reports, articles, videos etc you used to draw your conclusions.

 

Trump's quote about Ivanka's testimony

Trump said in a Friday morning post on his social-media platform, Truth Social: "Ivanka Trump was not involved in looking at, or studying, Election results. She had long since checked out and was, in my opinion, only trying to be respectful to Bill Barr and his position as Attorney General (he sucked!)."