Should the Rockets seriously explore trading UP to #4?

i’m all in for another jalen. wished we can trade kjp for jalen suggs

 

reading some of the worst takes regarding ivey per the usual folks. It's pretty obvious most of you don't even follow him much.

 

exactly. I don’t care what anyone says. Ivey and banchero have the best chance to be the best player in this draft with ivey slightly edging out banchero.

 

It’s just a dream, let them have it.

100% we will not be picking at 3 and 4. Wasting breath…

 

In terms of assets, I’d like to keep Green, #3, 2023 first (pick #1-5) and, in this case, Sengun since Ivey is duplicative of Green if his playmaking doesn’t materialize. Fox, Rose, Westbrook, Harden and Wade all had appreciably higher AST/TO.

Everything else can go though.

 

And I'll say the unsaid part here. There's a legitimate chance we trade for a top 10 pick and he doesn't pan out while who we traded for him develops as we wished when they were on our team.

You still gotta take those chances. Top 10 picks have the highest chances of being superstars and that reward is worth all the risk not named Jalen Green we have.

 

So this is a fun hypothetical, but I'm trying to think of recent precedent of a team moving back that far in a draft or giving up a top 5 pick and not getting a star caliber player in return, and I'm drawing a blank.

You could throw 17, Wood, Tate and KPJ at Sacramento and it's probably not enough. You could give them Milwaukee's first next year or any of Brooklyn's future firsts, and I'm not sure they bite. If you combine all those players and multiple picks, maybe they consider it.

But if you're the Kings, the one asset that I would imagine it would take to seal the deal would be Houston's 2023 first rounder. Gun to my head, that's what I think it probably takes to move up 13 spots. So would you do it at the sacrifice of your first next year? Personally, I wouldn't. But I'd be curious how others feel.

 

I would use my first next year if it was top 3 protected

 

Yeah. But I doubt the Kings will want it if the Rockets start adding protections on it. And since Houston doesn't own their 2024 pick, it can't be a pick that delays to the following year if it falls in the protected range. It I'm Sacramento, it's unprotected or bust.

 

Not sure how the matching salaries would work for S&Ts but I wonder if a deal centered around Ayton Holmes Sengun Gordon Saric #4 would work

Ayton/Fox/Sabonis/Barnes is a playoff team and PHX gets quality players now in Gordon/Holmes and a great young prospect in Sengun.

 

Yes, but we should either select Banchero or Ivey. 3 and 17 for 1 to select Chet or Jabari should be attempted. I hope Eason will fall to 17 so we grab him if we can't move up.

 

Yeah, but with the subtraction of a personality disorder.

 

no, hell no.

the thing is there if Rox are unsold of Paola (or other big) at 3 while Sac or Det (if Port/Grant), was super sold on PB then perhaps super lotto trade available.

 

Maybe a concept for next year.

Would want to see where we are in the standings.

 

After reviewing some TyTy Tape, his skill set seems very close to that of Ivey with just a little less explosiveness. He appears to be a great shooter and passer and only .5" shorter so comparable. If they are really interested in adding another guard to replace KPJ, I'd be cool if he got moved for a package to move into the top 10 if it got us a Center like Williams then kept our other picks and took Banchero at 3 and TyTy at 17.

P.G. - Nix / Washington (or flip-flop that)
S.G. - Green / Christopher
S.F. - Martin Jr. / Mathews
P.F. - Banchero / Tate
..C. - Sengun / Williams

Then hopefully Gordon, Wood, Nwaba, etc have been used to move up.

 

There's no chance in hell the Rockets give up what the Kings would want to move to #4.

 

You’d have to give them Wood, Gordon, # 17, and your 2023 FRP before they’d even listen to you. With next year’s pick being the real value. I’d consider it if we could get top 2 protection on next year’s pick. (Wemby/Scoot)

It might come down to next years pick would have to be unprotected to get the Kings to agree. You’d have to consider that too as odds are we are not bottom of the barrel next year.

As it’s been said if Stone thinks Ivey is as good as any prospect outside of Wemby and Scoot then pull the trigger.

All of that and odds are you would still need to add a Brooklyn pick.

 

No way would I give up next years pick without protection. Everything else except for Green would be on the table.

 

In addition to the reasons I've noted above about what it would take to move up to No. 4, I also don't think the Rockets NEED to add Banchero plus Ivey. If you've got Green and Banchero, those are your two ball dominant, go-to offensive stars. Do you really want to add a third already, especially on a team with KPJ and Sengun? And what about the defense?

I just think they'd be better off after adding Banchero or Ivey (preferably Banchero) using their resources to load up on lengthy, switchable defenders and shooters. That's what they need to add to this core. It will cost them a lot less to move up to 10-13 to add Daniels, Eason, Sochan or Wiliams, and they'd fill a much greater need, plus have more assets left over afterward.

Using all of your assets to load up on scorers just seems like an unnecessary luxury and a pretty significant risk. It's not worth it.