Ivey is getting Dwayne Wade and Ja Morant comps all while the top 3 picks get laughable role player comps. To put things in perspective Luka's comp was Hedo Turkoglu. Ivey is making me think twice but we have get rid of KPJ.
Chet would still be the better pick at 3 than Ivey. His build is the only negative. If that wasn't a concern he'd be a clear #1 choice.
I'd be perfectly fine if Ivey were the pick - that we traded up from #17 for.... #3 pick? oh no no...
The crazy people pushing Ivey as the pick would be doing the same even if the Rockets had the #1 overall pick.
I think the rockets can play KPJ, Ivey, and Green all on the court at the same time. If it turns out that KPJ needs to be traded I am fine with that. I do not believe that KPJ has the mental strength to be on a championship team anyway.
KPJ shouldn’t be considered at all in our draft strategy. He’s a RFA who hasn’t yet gone a full year without drama, and has been wildly inconsistent.
I’m afraid Chet falls to us at #3, and then I’m not sure what to do. I’d be OK w Ivey…I’m not convinced KPJ is the real deal, but Ivey should be. My concern is, what are we going to do about bigs?!?! We still have another 1-2 years of lottery pick/rebuilding/poor record ahead of us, so there’s time, but it kills be to watch us get annihilated on the boards every game, and watching mediocre bugs on other teams get career bests against us. We have a ton of assets and may fill those holes w FAs, but it’s hard to keep picking guards and having faith. In the end, the Rox are going to do what they do no matter what we think, so buckle in and enjoy the ride. We have a bright future, one of these days.
You all are ridiculous. There's literally zero - ZERO - percent chance we take Jaden Ivey. If they thought little enough of whichever big dropped to 3 that they would consider not taking that person, they would just trade the pick.
I don’t see Chet getting past OkC at #2 but if somehow he did drop to #3 I believe that Chet at the 4 and Sengun at the 5 would be an excellent combo. But it’s a fantasy; not gonna happen.
Ivey would certainly help our team out, but I get a bit of a sense of Westbrook from watching all his game tape. He might develop a shot, and his court vision might improve, but right now it's not there. Westbrook when he came out was an unqualified hit for OKC in terms of getting value for their draft pick. But over the course of his career he proved to be a low ceiling-type, especially when it came to playoff basketball. Both in a vacuum, and for our team's fit, we really should take one of the three bigs who have nothing in common with Ayton, Bagley, Wiseman, or any of the other big man busts in recent history.
Very interesting take, especially with the point about the pace. That is critical. I worry about whether Sengun can keep up with the pace long-term. in my view he's part of the long-term plan but he seems plodding at times. I can see Ivey / Green / Porter being a very high-speed transition team. Still want a big though, maybe I too am just an old school thinker.
I’m ok with a 3 guard lineup of KPJ,Green, Ivey (although I’m beginning to lean Daniels), but the 2 frontcourt players still matter. They have to have another solid rebounding big that will make fast outlet passes and can play defense. Unlike others, I think Sengun is gong to be a good defensive player as long as we can match him with a good defensive running mate. My dream scenario is Jabari falls to us and we trade up for Daniels.
They were also comparing Booker to Kobe last year. It’s fun to just throw HOF comparisons to college kids KPJ is on paper the best catch & shoot 3point shooter in the league at 21 years old. You want to pass up on Smith,Chet, or Paolo just to keep going in circles chasing the guards every year?
I tell ya, there are incredibly strong arguments for all these guys. Makes it very difficult to get a clear thought on which way to go. Rockets are going to need every bit of the next 26 days to figure this out. As high as the Brooklyn pick got, those extra 2 slots higher (15) that we thought we were going to be at made a big difference in our ability to draft a guy we would have really wanted or move up. I can see all teams hanging on tight to their picks this year and there being no movement. That would suck.
Since about 15/16 I've been pushing for multi 6'6" players with a big that plays about 18 to 24 minutes; but have a Small Ball center play a lot of minutes. It's basically the Warriors model since 14/15 of guys like Bogut, JaVale MeGee, and others in that big man role going up against the big boys of the league like KAT, Embiid, Jokic for 18 to 24 minutes and then the Draymond helping us run and gun the rest of the time. Then the Warriors made a version of that with, "The Hampton-5" It works.......nowadays teams are morphing into my vision as they are improving defenses to the switch everything to switch everything pointing defense. A combination of switch everything with zone blended in. Now bigs are shooting 3's from grade school and are entering the NBA almost ready to contribute in the spacing needed. Defense will adapt to 5 players with ability to shoot 3's on the court at the same time. Teams better have the personnel to counter.....meaning 6'6" to 6'9" mobile, long wingspans, versatile to help defend every corner, every inch of the half court and run the length with up tempo offensively and defensively. Teams are looking for the big getting an easy rim run or numbers in transition to shoot an open 3. The Embiid, Jokic, KAT can dominate the new version of the road runner bigs coming out on the offensive end and become MVP's of the regular season.......but the true contenders are gearing their teams and finding the pieces to run and gun and mix in some zone defense. Neutralizing the MVP's. I posted before the playoffs teams like Cavs and Raptors are getting the proper personnel in place but aren't ready to truly contend. I predicted before the playoffs Embiid, JAT, Jokic we're MVP caliber; but would most likely get bounced in the first round, second round if the were lucky enough. Teams that mix in zone defense and have the personnel to run it successfully would make it to our final four. I posted an article on how the Warriors were 5th in the NBA in December primarily because they were using a defensive zone. Mavs, Boston, Best, Bucks like to dabble in zones......who were the final four? Mavs, Warriors, Beat, and Celtics. Both Sengun and Banchero are too slow to fit in to the ever adapting NBA styles.....but if you put enough great players around them; maybe it could work. As the joke I've made before. The Clippers pre Blake were perennial doormats and they're fans use to joke that they were one player away from winning it all......that player being MJ. Well hopefully Jalen Green can be our MJ, and it won't matter. But I would go, Ivey #3, Mark Williams #17, and trade up with EG, Nwaba, Tate, Woods to get Tari Eason, or Keegan Murray. If the Rockets have to use #17 to move up and can't get that mobile Mark Williams that might be able to shoot 3's later down the line. Then next draft has a couple projected C's around pick #8 to be had. Or free agency as the Rocket will have a huge amount of money to spend. Notice I'm pushing for Chris Boucher this summer. Long, lengthy, mobile Wings/Centers.
I don’t think it’s that tough. Our SF/PF are both 6’5 in KMJ/Tate who are mediocre at best with KMJ having much more potential You take which ever one of the three falls to the 3rd pick and check off another position KPJ/? Green/Christopher Gordon/? Paolo/KMJ Sengun/? We should be trading #17, Wood, Tate to try to get another lottery pick for the future SF position after Gordon leaves Give KPJ another year to see if his post all star break stretch is sustainable Keep Gordon for veteran presence & get a true vet point guard who knows their job is to help mentor KPJ/Green If we can sign the right vet PG & KPJ doesn’t act too crazy, I think we will be competing for a play in game Once Wall & Gordon come off the books we will probably be in the best position for 2023 FA with a team full of young talented kids with godly cap space. I bet kpj/green can bring in at least one big name But please god don’t blow this draft pick on Ivey
It's a fetish for a certain type of player. Ivey plays the exact same position as Jalen Green and plays the exact same style.... he's basically a smaller less talented version of what we drafted last year. The kinds of people who have a thing for that exact position and that exact style will ALWAYS advocate for taking those kinds of players, they don't care that it makes no sense whatsoever when it comes to fit, they don't care that they'd be passing on more talented players that actually fit what the team needs.... they just want quick flashy shooting guards. If we got Ivey, they'd want another one next year too... and the year after that, and the year after that. It's just an irrational obsession.
