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2022 Astros Minor League Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by tellitlikeitis, Dec 8, 2021.

  1. No Worries

    No Worries Contributing Member

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    This a CYA sitch. How many above averaged Astros starting pitchers have missed the Top 100 lists?
     
  2. HeyBudLetsParty

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    javier, Garcia, Framber, Urquidy just off the top of my head
     
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  3. HeyBudLetsParty

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  4. Buck Turgidson

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    All of them?
     
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  5. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
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    Pretty sure Verlander was on one.
     
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    Drafted ahead of him by the Pads? "I'm Matt F'ing Bush"
     
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    Both ZIPS and Steamer currently have Matijevic projected as an above average MLB hitter.
     
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    I think you gotta take those numbers with a grain of salt. Yes, the projected wRC+ numbers are above 100. But if you factor in defense his projected WAR for 600 AB's is <2.0. (2 WAR is considered an average starter). Plus his projected K rate across all projection systems is about 32%. When you have a K rate that high, there's a ton of volatility in outcomes.
     
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  9. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    He's so old, they probably didn't have prospect lists. :)
     
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    Was looking at this fall's Rule 5 class and this year is short on slam dunk adds (outside of Hunter Brown), but there will be quite a few guys on the fringes who might represent some risk of being taken:

    C: Berryhill*, Diaz, Salazar, Nerio
    IF: Valdez*, Hensley, Kessinger
    OF: McKenna*, Adolph, Julks, Abreu, Brewer
    P: Brown*, Conine, Ruppenthal, France, Robaina, Macuare, Jimenez

    May be something to keep in mind as the deadline approaches. But not nearly the pending 40 man roster crunch they've appeared to have the last several years.
     
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  11. Joe Joe

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    Just double checked to be sure and he was indeed a Top 100 pitching prospect by BA.

    From BA: Stuff-wise, Verlander has no weaknesses.
     
  12. Redfish81

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    Yea... not as bad as before because A LOT of guys in the minors are underperforming at least my expectations.

    Sure we have our positive suprises like Matijevic, Valdez, Mushinski, Hensley, etc... but guys like Bermudez, Tyler Brown, Dubin, Korey Lee, McKenna, Costes, France, Kessinger, and of late even Tamarez... lots of disappointment.
     
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    Dubin and Tamarez are the big disappointments to me. I was expecting Dubin to already be in the pen by now, and I was expecting Tamarez would be close to where Dubin was last year.
     
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  14. Nook

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    Agree on this. A lot of the younger guys were were hoping would take a step forward haven't in the lower levels. It isn't a good thing, but I will point out that we had a similar thing happen early on with Luhnow where the farms just had a bad season.... and we waited FOREVER for the young pitchers (especially international) to really come through, and even then most of the arms have been as good of better in the big leagues than they were in the minors.
     
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    I agree, particularly with the high drag ball this year. However, I think all of his projections were south of 100 wRC+ entering this season so it's good to see the projection systems approving of his good performance thus far this season. If he keeps performing that projected K% should decline to a more reasonable level in view of his BB% and power.
     
  16. Snake Diggit

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    It seems to me like they rushed most of their highest ceiling young prospects. McKenna, Whitcomb, Gonzalez, Whitaker, Tamarez, and Robaina all should probably be one level lower.
     
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    Jordan Lyles
    Francis Martes
    Jarred Cosart
    Forrest Whitley
    Corbin Martin
    JB Bukauskas
    Josh James
    Cionel Perez
    Mark Appel

    How's that a list of guys that were Top 100 on at least one major list for us in the past 10 years? Our one true top pitching prospect that has made it is LMJ. And I'm talking about a long way. Some had success with other clubs like Josh Hader, but the next guy I can think of is Oswalt.
     
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    Baseball America updated their Astros Top 30

    1. Hunter Brown
    2. Korey Lee
    3. Pedro León
    4. Alex Santos
    5. Joe Perez
    6. Yainer Diaz
    7. Tyler Whitaker
    8. Peter Solomon
    9. Chayce McDermott
    10. Jaime Melendez
    11. Grae Kessinger
    12. Forrest Whitley
    13. Will Wagner
    14. Spencer Arrighetti
    15. Colin Barber
    16. David Hensley
    17. J.J. Matijevic
    18. Cristian Gonzalez
    19. Jordan Brewer
    20. Justin Dirden
    21. Misael Tamarez
    22. Enmanuel Valdez
    23. Adrian Chaidez
    24. Jimmy Endersby
    25. Matthew Barefoot
    26. Alex McKenna
    27. Seth Martinez
    28. Jonathan Bermudez
    29. Brett Conine
    30. Zach Daniels
     
  19. tellitlikeitis

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    Ross Adolph was placed on the Corpus IL yesterday.
     
  20. tellitlikeitis

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    Ernesto Jaquez with a solid outing for Asheville, but he's currently on the hook for a loss: 5.2 IP, 2 H, 2 ER, 4 BB, 6 K

    One of the hits he allowed was a two-run homer. The 4 walks are certainly a concern (14 in 19.1 since joining Asheville) and he also threw 3 wild pitches in this one. Jaquez will probably continue to get chances in the rotation... from only reading his stats, he kind of looks like another Cristian Javier.
     

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