This thread started in 2018 and is now 78 pages long. Sandyhook was 6 years before this thread. Columnbine was 21 years before this thread started. Uvalde was yesterday. That alone should tell you how much this country has done to stop these events.
Looks like an access to guns issue. Stricter background checks, mandatory gun safety classes, and gun registration would be a good start. Who knows, maybe the idea of sitting in a gun safety class would of prevented one of those parents from purchasing a gun and thus preventing access for their kids to commit murders. The fact that I can go and purchase an AR-15 without any idea how to handle it is a ridiculous notion.
What we know about mass school shootings in the US – and the gunmen who carry them out https://theconversation.com/what-we...e-us-and-the-gunmen-who-carry-them-out-183812 excerpt: Inspired by past school shooters, some perpetrators are seeking fame and notoriety. However, most school shooters are motivated by a generalized anger. Their path to violence involves self-hate and despair turned outward at the world, and our research finds they often communicate their intent to do harm in advance as a final, desperate cry for help. The key to stopping these tragedies is for society to be alert to these warning signs and act on them immediately. more at the link
I would say that every school needs to have armed security on site but those mf-ers would just raise our property taxes (the school funding portion) even more to pay for it. It's sad that our country cares more about guns than kids' lives.
That armed security better be equipped like A navy seal or a John Wick type to get the job done. Them school shooters be armed and ready for carnage.
sounds like a great reason to institute Universal Health Care that involves mental health. We're the only developed country where people ignore health issues until it's too late because they cannot afford health care.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/pol...ok-for-abbott-texas-republicans-not-to-budge/ Key excerpt: Will the latest school shooting change the minds of any Republican politicians in Texas about gun safety policies? It’s hard not to be skeptical, judging from Gov. Greg Abbott’s vague statements Tuesday about “doing everything necessary” to prevent a recurrence. He didn’t even muster the emotion he flashed after some prior massacres in the Lone Star State. In any large organization, the tone is set at the top. And as he hastily responded to the slaughter at Uvalde’s Robb Elementary School, it was clear Abbott failed to take some passion pills before he went before the TV cameras. If he couldn’t get choked up over little kids, is he likely to budge from the state GOP’s hard-line resistance to any changes in gun laws? In a word, no.
Thanks for the @! I think (and I have to say "think" because I can't actually tell what you believe from your posts in the last 24 hours) you're advocating for a repeal of the Second Amendment. If so, I agree with you that that would be a good goal! The modern conservative view on it, where any limits on firearm ownership is "tyranny," seems incredibly divorced from the "originalist" intent of the Founders. Former chief justice Warren Burger, whose clip is getting passed around a lot today, said: Yet you also acknowledge that there is no groundswell of public support to repeal the Second Amendment. The structure of the Senate also means that 60 votes are required to break a guaranteed GOP filibuster on any gun control legislation (see: Manchin-Toomey) even though a large chunk of the GOP senators blocking debate represent a small fraction from Americans from low-population states. So we've got a structural problem on top of decades of crocodile tears and disingenuous constitutional interpretation. My earlier point was meant to illustrate a pattern throughout American history: what do we do when the end-goal of a movement (full civil rights for African Americans, the right to vote for women, gay rights, healthcare reform, etc.) is too drastic for some of our congressmen? We push for acceptable incremental change that then becomes standard operating procedure. A majority of Congress was not ready to pass single-payer healthcare in 2010 so President Obama pushed for a market-based healthcare law that now has features so popular - the inability to deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions, children staying on parents' coverage until age 26, no lifetime caps, etc. - the GOP was unable to repeal them in 2017 because even their own voters were against that. These features of Obamacare are the new baseline expectation of Americans because of an incremental approach. To be clear, in an ideal world we would not have to pass laws this way. But it's what we've got in a country with two parties whose motivating principles often appear to be nothing more than opposition to each other. You are probably right that expanded background checks would not have stopped the carnage in Uvalde yesterday. But maybe they would prevent the parent of a would-be mass shooter from acquiring a gun that their child then steals to kill children. Maybe they would contribute to a more tempered culture around guns instead of one where a Georgia gubernatorial candidate can paint "Jesus. Guns. Babies." on her tour bus without a hint of ****ing irony. Maybe red flag laws would catch minors like the killers in Uvalde and Parkland before they turn 18 and prevent them from buying assault weapons. Maybe national healthcare would provide poor families, like the Uvalde killer's, access to otherwise unattainable mental healthcare years before he kills a classroom full of fourth graders. All of this requires that we try and trying means pursuing what is possible instead of allowing the perfect to be the enemy of the good.
Republicans. So much grief and effort over unborn babies Zero ****s given for defenseless little children
AR-15, AR-15, AR-15, Hmm, is this what they call a pattern? I know what we need to do! Ban Anne Frank's Diary! -Florida and Texas-
If we were taught to treat anyone who posted guns on social media and acted oddly as potential gunmen you'd have privacy advocates screaming. We also don't know how many people exhibit warning signs and turn out to commit these acts, or what to do to stop them assuming that people could be able to even identify someone as a potential gunman. To me, it seems more rational that to become a gun owner, you have to go through a process which includes having a psychologist write a note saying you seem of sound mind before you can obtain a gun license. It can be any psychologist you choose so long as they are certified. You should also need to have a few references as part of the background check. And guns need to be tracked. Every gun should be able to have some kind of marking that indicates who was the last owner so we at least know how the gun got into the hands of this person. This would make the blackmarket for guns far more expensive over time, and thus less accessible. It should be a stiff crime to sell a gun to someone without a license and not to have a title and registration for a gun. And yes, gun owners should have to take a gun safety class. These steps would make it a lot more difficult for a crazy person to try to buy a gun, and still let responsible gun owners get a gun license.
I think that focusing on the guns makes gun controllers forget that the real cause of mass shootings is the shooters themselves This shooter bought his guns legally. The Buffalo shooter got his guns legally. New York has the strictest gun control laws in the nation.
Gun licenses for EVERY SINGLE GUN YOU OWN - renewable after 1 year. Look at Japan, their rules are a good model to follow. DD
So you are in favor of stricter gun purchasing laws then? Make it harder for these people to get guns. I mean if the strictest laws in the country are not stopping guns getting in the hands of the wrong person, maybe they are not strict enough. Maybe we need to look at strengthening them. Having the strictest gun laws in America is like being the skinniest fat guy.
no. I am suggesting that stricter gun laws are probably not the answer to the problem. The problem is people. And to paraphrase Jesus, you will always have the violent and crazies among you. So you need to address that problem. And in fact potential mass shooters have been caught ahead of time. We don't hear as much about those cases, for obvious reasons. Another thing that might have helped here: why was the shooter able to simply walk into the school? every school near us has been "hardened" in the years since Sandy Hook. Bullet-proof glass for windows and entryways, locked doors where you have to be buzzed in to enter, video monitoring of all entrances. None of this seems to have been in place here (I may be wrong).
