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Critical Race Theory.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by jiggyfly, May 17, 2021.

  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Other groups make/ heir offspring aware of things like this at home. The school system/government can't replace homes.

    It's not just informing.
     
  2. adoo

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    which groups?
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    Nobody is suggesting that schools replace homes. Schools should only focus on what is within their control. Giving a more accurate and broader look at history is absolutely within in their control and they should definitely do this.
     
  4. JuanValdez

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    Since you're insistent, I'll tell you coverage for other minorities in my education was even slimmer. Reservation system, trail of tears, potato famine and Irish immigration, Chinese immigration and the institution of immigration controls. Spanish American war and a little American imperialism.

    So you'll want to say, Aha! See, blacks get more minutes in the curriculum than other minorities! As though the history pertaining to a minority only matters to that minority. But I think it reinforces my own point that we have not historically done enough to teach kids how much of our history is a history of race relations. The black experience is the low hanging fruit because of all the atrocities committed against them. But the unexamined histories of Hispanics, Italians, Irish, Jews, Chinese, and others in this country are just other facets of the same problem.

    This convo started when you said broken homes was the cause of losing our history to which we objected. Teaching kids in broken homes is indeed a challenge. But we weren't talking exclusively about them. We were talking about American kids not knowing their history.
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    History class is about how we got here. Basics first. Public schools are responsible for everyone's education
     
  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    @FranchiseBlade

    Blacks want to feel good about our history. We ate here because o slavery. Everything else is secondary. This is a larger issue. White folks, schools, the government can't.mqke us happy..

    We have to reconcile ourselves
     
  7. adoo

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    and US geography as well; read an article referring to the result of a recent survey that suggests 40% of hi schoolers have no idea where Chicago is located.
     
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    All of the history mentioned is about how we got here.
     
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    Parts of history and contributions shouldn't be left out and ignored. Leaving out significant contributions, trials, and injustices for anyone hurts the history knowledge of EVERYONE
     
  10. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I'm not talking about minorities. What other groups like Irish and Italians. The point is nobody is given more attention. This country i@ white or founded by whites. They have more influence on history. It isn't something that should be evened out.
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    It's not ignored. The important things are first. It's a white county in terms of founders. You can only fit so much in
     
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    No, they are ignored. The challenges ignored and left out, the contributions minimized or left out. It isn't always overtly malicious. Just not considered due to the fact that people with a different uniform perspective of what is and what isn't important are the ones deciding. But that can and should change.
     
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    That was the argument that I predicted you were going to make and the one that I said misunderstands the whole point I'm making. Something like redlining, just to take one less prominent example (which I definitely didn't learn about in school), is not black history that needs to get its minutes for the sake of black students. It's American history. Or, in your formulation, if this is a white country, then it is white history. It's the history of what white leaders elected by predominantly white voters did to preserve white privilege. That's important stuff for white people to know about. This isn't about evening out anything.
     
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    This country isn't even 300 years old lol, it is still being founded.

    MLK Jr is as much of a founder for this nation as anyone else.
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    When they wite history books they are thinking about the fundamentals. WHAT crucial African American event is left out? Jim Crow is covered. The rest is specific s
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    It's predominantly white. Redlining is a specific of discrimination which is covered. You can talk about all kinds of of things but discrimination is covered in general
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Black person trying to make a back founding father. You have issues. It's not public schools fault you aren't proud of actual history
     
  18. jiggyfly

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    Why do the same people take the pgabs bait about the same topic over and over again?

    At least it's been a while.

    I guess pgabs is off his meds again.
     
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    You are framing it in a misguided way.

    You are separating African-American events from White American events. The rest of us are talking about significant events in American history that should have never been omitted but have been because of race and those deciding what has been included.

    It is what important American events, contributions, and struggles are being left out because those writing the books have a different perspective? That is the real question.

    Red Lining, Malcolm Xs contribution to civil rights, The cruel experimentation on people of color in the Tuskegee medical trials, The plight of thousands of people of African decent involved in the founding of our nation, significant inventions, and advancements to science and society in general.

    All of those are significant historical events and challenges that played a significant role in the development of the United States and the way things are today.

    By the way American culture has influenced the world since the 20s. Whether it's Jazz, dance, music, fashion a majority of it originated in African-American communities. But that isn't taught. And what is presented are the whites who appropriated the dance steps, songs, etc.
     
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    You aren't in a position to comment on anyone else's historical knowledge. You have demonstrated not only a lack of awareness, but a lack of interest in learning the actual history.
     
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