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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by D-rock, May 12, 2022.

  1. Dankstronaut

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    Terrible comparison. Lamb is pudgy and slow, wasn't a great shooter when given the opportunity and was clearly in over his head, letting the moment get to him making hilariously bad mistakes every couple of minutes.

    Roddy built like a brick shithouse and has the quickness and footwork of a much smaller man. 6'5" 2fiddy? That's PJ Tucker except he's pirouetting and dunking, shooting 40% from 3??

    Anthony "Sacrificial" Lamb could only dream. Terrible comparison. Very bad.
     
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    First of all Bobby seems to always be wrong.

    But I will say that any of the top 4 work....
    Just takes more sanding of the edges and developing to make Chet and Banchero fit.

    Rockets feel like their developmental staff to work with any of them and turn them into gold. And I've learned not to doubt them. Hope it's not all about Weaver, Hornacek or Barbara Turner though.

    *Chet shot chart was like an hour glass of baskets at the rim or straight away 3. So
    that straight away 3 conflicts with Porter, Green
    drives or Sengun working up top. They can do
    PnPop from day one ATB 3 area....but the rest
    will be avoiding stepping on each other's toes.

    *Jabari fits in with no adjustments.

    *Banchero didn't have many shoots near the rim
    because Mark Williams occupied space near the rim. 3-pt shot lacked much to be desired. Much like Sengun, defenders laid off of Sengun and dared him to shoot. Packed the paint. Green and Porter will find it hard to drive because Bancheros defender is in the paint. Sengun will not have much success in the post because Banchero defender is in the paint. Looking at the Banchero shot chart he works a lot in the right post. You can see high majority of makes near rim on right side. A poster pointed out Banchero also posts up left side....yes, but where will Sengun be?
    His man will be helping in the paint. You can't have Sengun right post up area and Banchero left
    post up area. Spacing nightmare. The iidea when posting up is spacing. A guy at the Dunker Spot or on the other block ruins that as spacing is spoiled. Both Sengun and Banchero will need to improve 3-pt shooting. I'm not scared that Embiid and Tobias Harris shoot 3's.....and it doesn't bother me that both are two of the most post up dominant players in the NBA. It rarely equates to playoff victories. But I will support him if drafted by the Rockets.

    *Ivey....like Porter, Jalen Green can get to the rim
    and deliver one on one. You have to send defensive help. So how will a team stop all three on any given play? Someone is going to be left open. And that someone can play above the rim.
    Porter, Green and Ivey all have speed to run Princeton baseline cuts and take lob passes to the house. Silas didn't have the team do it much this season because of the tank but will implement cutters and slashing more this season When one facilitator drives, help defense
    comes over, cut to rim from corners. If the defense over defends the corner cuts then a dive from ATB 3 to the rim. Whether it be Porter, Green or Ivey they will receive the ball with momentum headed towards the rim and the will get fouled
    and bring home many and-1's. As we send Green to cut more, the defensive fouls will come.
    I have confidence our development staff will help Ivey improve his 3's. I criticized Franz Wagner for having set shot 3.....Orlando changed his release
    completely and looks much better. Ivey is going to be a beast. Removing Tate and Kenyon as poor 3-pt shooters and their defender camped out in the paint and replacing them with Porter (who shot well as a CnS 3-point shooter) is huge for spacing.

    With the addition of Ivey and Silas letting them cut and slash to the basket will create more assist opportunities. Porter will probably get
    7 to 8 assists per game as our primary ball handler at SF. Ivey will probably get 4 with Porter, Green, Mathews, Sengun, Wood on the recieving ends. Green will probably get near 4 assists as well.

    It's a new share the ball era. Us old conservative
    basketball way of thinkers need to embrace the
    new guard driven league and how one ball dominant facilitator is being changed out
    for two or 3 good to decent ball handling
    get to the rim and draw fouls scorers.....
    that can pass a little.

    ***Banchero ranked #6 on the Duke squad in
    percentage of points in the paint. Mark Williams
    #5. So we may be seeing Banchero living from mid range to 3-point line. I'm not excited to see that with
    Sengun....but I accept it. Sengun may need to be traded eventually.
     
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    Pretty good analysis. To me Jabari is the perfect fit and our offense scheme can transition seamlessly, and our wing defense and corner three percentage will improve immensely. There are an extreme number of what if’s with Paolo and Ivey. One thing we don’t know yet is the work ethic of the rookies or Sengun. If Sengun shows the effort to put on the muscle he needs then I see him as an equal to Banchero in terms of value to the team and an option as our center for a decade. Ivey is also a big question mark. He will cause three players to play differently and to adjust to his presence in the lineup. He will also put more pressure on our interior defense. What is his work ethic to improve his defense, especially? The other wild card is Silas. Can he improve and handle the fit regardless of who we pick? Can he actually coach defense? Will he really implement new offensive schemes or is it all talk? The next season, as this season, will be fun to watch.
     
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    Yes, in a perfect world I'm hoping Green, Porter, Wood, Sengun, Tate, Kenyon, Garuba
    are all in the gym (reports they are in the gym) working on their 3-ball; especially corners.
    Hopefully they all hit 40% or greater from 3; which makes every offense work.

    I hear you on Sengun, I think he can work and improve his 3-ball from shooting
    40% in the first 25 games to hopefully shooting at least 36% for a whole season.
    "ALWAYS".....do it always the whole season.

    I like Sengun better than Banchero:
    In the post
    at shooting 3's
    at rebounds
    at blocks
    FT's (even)
    mid-range (Banchero)
    PACE (transition) (even? maybe Banchero)
    Interior defense (Sengun)
    Perimeter Defense (even)
    Lateral quickness (even)
    Vertical Leap (Banchero)
    Passing (Sengun)

    It's a toss up who we keep, may take a year to figure out; but I don't feel
    ultimately both will work together defensively....and hiccups on the
    court offensively as they overlap in many ways. The Embiid/Tobias Harris
    doesn't work for me and neither will Sengun-Banchero. It's taking
    one step forward by taking two steps backwards; but I digress.

    Ivey doesn't take nearly as much work as people make it out to be.
    Ivey has much the same role as he did with Purdue.
    Porter has the same role (often lead ball handler while guarding SF's)
    Green same role as end of season.
    Josh Christopher as smart role.

    Removing Eric Gordon, Nix, Schroder......Mathews used as spot shooter here and there.
    Tate and Kenyon take a lesser of play more PF. They would be doing this anyway if
    we drafted Jabari or bring in Keegan Murray or Mathurin or Sharpe.

    Who we get at #17 matters. Mark Williams? Tari Eason? EJ Liddell? Kessler?

    EJ Liddell or Tari Eason might lessen the usage of Tate/Kenyon. Sometimes you
    need to break a few eggs to make an omelette. Do we not draft them to preserve
    Tate/Kenyon playing time? Different from Sengun situation. Sengun may have
    a brighter future than Tate/Kenyon as they project as role players.

    If you look at 19/20 Silas with Mavs: many Roll-Men scored
    exceptional as PnR Roll-Men.
    Several Ball Handlers scored high as Ball Handlers in PnR
    Cutters were used

    Stuff that we did very little last two seasons but Vipers did.
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    So you can see where multiple facilitators fit Silas with Mavs.....Rockets (now?)

    Patrick Fertitta likes micro ball using 6'3" and under players. I think he has
    moved on to multiple 6'4" and above for the new NBA style.

    Green, Porter, Josh Christopher, Ivey look like the teams in the playoffs
    in the final four. It's what the league is becoming.
    I posted the rotations of the final four teams the other day
    with Ast's and rebounds of each player. Only Gave Vincent,
    Curry, and Brunson are playing significant roles. Pritchard
    is used sparingly at 6'1".

    Here are the starters stats of each team per NBA.com

    Assists
    Miami: 15.5 (lack Lowry)
    Mavs: 17.8
    Boston: 19.2
    Warriors: 20.3

    Rebounds
    Mavs: 26.1
    Miami: 26.4
    Warriors: 28.2
    Boston: 35.2

    For the most part Ast and rebounds is being done by committee
     
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    The players have their pros and cons. Silas is the real problem. He's a great guy, just not HC material. He can't coach defense.
     
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    As for playing Sengun and Paolo together: while they work on their 3pt shot we can alternate them. Sengun will probably play around 25 minutes, Paolo around 30 - so that would mean there is only a 2 minute overlaps necessary. I know it doesn’t really work like that, but they won’t need to play more than 10 minutes nex to each other.

    And Paolo can hit the open 3 - and Sengun can initiate from the high post. It’s not as big of a problem as some people make it out to be. A lot of teams have 1-2 players on the floor, that aren’t a 3pt threat. The bigger problem is Tate in my opinion…
     
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    Defense is the main issue playing them together, but if one of the two doesn’t become a better than 35% 3 pt shooter that presents a problem as well. What Paolo and Sengun bring that Wood did not is PnR offense. Both set really good picks, but Sengun needs to be better when he doesn’t roll. Paolo, I think, will be great in that offense and I expect Silas to utilize it more if he is the pick.
     
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    Of course he'd start with the Vipers.

    Just like KPJ, KJ, Mathews, Jaygup, Nix and Queen did.

    As will many other players who will go on to contribute to this rebuilding Rockets team.
     
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    the opposite of a 2-way player. Do not want.
     
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    I’d be intrigued Jovic if we selected Smith or Chet. He’d be an awful fit next to Paolo IMO.

    By the way, I know it’s early, but it really feels like the Rockets are concentrating on wing prospects at 17. I haven’t read much about the Rockets bringing in PG prospects (TyTy) or true center prospects (Duren, etc.). This obviously may change, but something to watch.
     
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    I know nothing about him, other than his name sound the same as the 2 times MVP.
     
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    Get it done stone.
     
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    Dieng >>> Jovic
     
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    Which is why it's looking like Dieng is going to go in the lottery and won't be available at 17.
     
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    Everyone can’t go in the lottery. I keep reading a ton of names who are getting mocked in the lottery or close to it. Someone is going to fall.
     
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    The Rockets care about in person workouts less than most teams. They have drafted guys they haven't worked out. Sometimes they do not want their interest to be know. I know the Rockets like Jean Montero, so they must have some interest in the point guard position.
     
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    Sengun is a good example of this. Before the draft, he was consistently slotted in or just outside the top 10 and we ended up getting him at 16.
     
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