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Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by ThatBoyNick, Feb 10, 2022.

  1. wekko368

    wekko368 Member

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    You'll see more if you open your eyes and use some critical thinking.
     
  2. ksny15

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    And the same could be said to you if you set aside your bias toward Harden. You and I clearly don't agree on the take so there isn't any point on continuing this discussion but if you would like to what an actual bad teammate looks like check out the dude in Brooklyn who ruined his teams season, and potential by not falling in line and getting a vaccine.
     
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  3. wekko368

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    I'm looking at things objectively. You're the one distorting events to fit your bias (i.e. the CP3/Westbrook trade).

    Harden was a bad teammate to Dwight. Dwight was promised a certain role in the Rockets' offense, and management reneged on the promise. Harden supported management.

    Harden was a bad teammate to CP3 by refusing to listen to him.

    I disagree about Irving. Refusing to betray his personal beliefs (and being willing to suffer the consequences) doesn't make him a bad teammate. If you disagree, then you must also think Olajuwon was a bad teammate for observing Ramadan during the season.
     
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    Sounds like Morey's OKC trade was really a wash. It's been established by now that his boy is consistently inconsistent in playoffs - something Morey's metrics couldn't account for. When goal is in sight, he just loses interest or gets scared. Opposite of MJ. In a team sport where others take cues from the "cornerstone" players (unless you are Josh Smith) it sounds like a certain death in the end.
    He'll probably start getting scared more often as his abilities diminish. Precipitous drop in performance is starting to make sense.
    End of an era. Asian Sensation will be out of his job soon.

    EDIT: he should've remained 6th man if he wanted to have a chance at a championship
     
  5. Milos

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    Dude, literally no one in the entire league likes Harden or wants to play with him

    Not Embiid, KD, Kyrie, Russ, CP3, PJ, Ariza, Parsons, Dwight, Bosh, Melo ...

    Those are just the guys off the top of my head that have either left the team, passed in joining, or criticized his lack of DEF effort and professionalism

    It's become such an open, known thing that Harden is annually clowned on live TV by guys like LBJ & Giannis when they are picking their All-Star game teammates and James goes dead-last in a game that literally counts for nothing

    Nobody enjoys Harden on their team anymore except Morey ... and this offseason will likely show James has even burned that bridge after last night's debacle

    He's a selfish, washed up, B-tier HoFamer with a sac that shrivels up in the biggest moments over and over and over and over
     
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    man, the trolling and lunacy has really gone too far, you guys are trying too hard
     
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    We don't even know if that's true. All we know is that Morey would rather have Harden than an indefinitely "injured" Ben Simmons.
     
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    Toronto's renting of Kawhi Leonard for one year was a winning trade. But renting of James Harden for 8 was only a winning trade for the pockets of Mr. Alexander.

    I'm not sure this qualifies as trolling/lunacy. You are welcome to explain why you consider this take a lunacy. Truth can be unpleasant. I'm having a hard time with it myself.
     
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    yeah, but you're the bitter ex baby mamma according to their crazy fanatics
     
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    Toronto got kawhi for less then nothing because pop was too stubborn (and stupid)to trade him for value. Do you think adams has produced more value then harden since the trade? I guess if you think he has then ya, bad trade. Toronto won cause gs guys got injured, not because they actually beat the warriors (obviously they’d have gotten killed like every single team the warriors played except 2018 rockets)
     
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    Now u r just throwing names at the wall to spin the dumba$$ narrative he's a bad teammate.

    Kyrie? the guy who literally ditched lebron james? abandoned the celtics and refused to get vaccinated to play for his team?

    KD? the dude who ditched wb, the gsw to ring chase and then bounced? The guy who is literally having twitter wars b/c of his fragile ego?


    Russ? The guy who is currently being sht on by lebron and the lakers media? ran off KD?

    PJ stuck with Harden for the longest a$$ time, and when it was time to go their separate ways there was no hard feeling. literally just making sht at this point

    Ariza? Management didn't want to sign him for a better contract cause he was washed.

    Parsons? really this bum went to dallas for more money, it was business.

    Dwight? Harden was the unprofessional one? this dude had drama with kobe couldn't get along with kobe but it's harden's fault for being a bad teammate.

    Bosh choose lebron over harden. This is just a rando ass name

    CP3, folks like to spin it that harden was the final say to push him out, but folks like to conveniently ignore it was our cheap ass owner who was hard pushing it.

    We get it u dislike harden, but stop making sht up just cause. B-tier HoF pffft. your hate boner is showing bud.

    Harden may not win it all, but his achievement alone he's up there. U can say he won't ever b in discussion for the greatest, but man is not B-tier, whatever the fk that means.
     
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    If harden doesn’t change his lifestyle he’s going lose out on hundreds of millions of dollars.

    We will see how he comes back next year. He has a game that can age well, but he needs to take care of his body.
     
  13. icewill36

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    what player could you replace Harden with to win a championship with that roster ?
     
  14. wekko368

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    Kind of shortsighted question. Morey built those rosters with Harden in mind as the centerpiece.

    If the centerpiece changes, so would the supporting cast.
     
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    I never said anything about those other guys as teammates
    Some of them have some of the same flaws and failures as Harden
    I simply pointed out all of those guys have had issues with Harden as a teammate (or potential one)

    As far as B-tier in the HoF...
    It's really simple for me in the NBA:

    Did you lead a team to a title?
    A-tier is reserved only for those that did
    That's why they have won almost all of them the past 4 decades
    No need to list those legends

    Harden is not one of them
    He's B-tier
    Along with Malone, Barkley, Nique, Iverson, Tmac, etc ...

    No shame in that

    I am a Rockets fan
    Not a Harden hater
    Now that he's no longer on my team, I have no emotion about his performance
    I'm just objectively pointing out facts
     
  16. ksny15

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    You don't. CP3 and Harden maximised what that team did. It was a very well put together roster and barring CP3s injury they win a ring. I will never fault anyone for anything that happened during that year. Morey put together a brilliant team. Harden was the best player in the league, CP3 was an elite PG and defensive juggernaut as usual. MDA coached his ass off. If Chis and the price don't get hurt they walk thru everyone in the post season. That has been my favorite year as a fan.
     
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    Wasn’t there a rumor that Harden would retire soon because he was done playing?
     
  18. ksny15

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    I stopped reading his post after seeing PJ. Someone who is incredibly close to James and has stuck up for him on numerous occasions.
     
  19. DatRocketFan

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    It's not facts. That's the problem with the folks who dislike harden.
    Types a bunch of sht/slander towards harden, repeat it a bunch of time and like minded folks would agree with it, doesn't make it a fact.

    Your definition of B-tier which isn't even a thing, it's yours opinion on making tiers out of HoF.

    Dude, literally no one in the entire league likes Harden or wants to play with him.

    He was teammates with KD/wb b4 w/ the thunders if your statement was true, they would have never teamed up with him

    I simply pointed out all of those guys have had issues with Harden as a teammate (or potential one)?
    Parson, Bosh, Melo, Ariza, PJ?
    what next u gonna throw out wall and cousins also?

    Like there is criticism of harden that is warranted to a certain extent, but the one where he's a bad teammate is just u throwing out a bunch of rando names and hoping it sticks.
     
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  20. astrosrule

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    You don’t blame foster or silver? If that game 7 is reffed poorly houston blows them out, it took a historically dominant performance to beat them from foster
     

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