Is a J Green and J Ivey backcourt feasible?

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I see Ivey as a Ja Morant, not in body frame, but get to the rim any time he wants
(provided we bring spacing in the form of 3-pt shooters).

Cavs had Porter jr at SF but he was immature and needed a Harden-like
chance to show he can be a facilitator. The move to quote unquote
"Point SF" becomes easier now.

Rockets were #2 in PACE and try to get 90 plus possessions per game.
People here talk about drafting Chet or Paolo because they
are shot creators......well shot creators take touches away
from Porter/Green/Josh Christopher/Sengun....or can they
all still eat and get their touches?

If we remove Eric Gordon, Schroder, Nix from the equation....then there
should be enough touches. Wood would have to accept a lesser role
this season. If not Wood gets traded.

90 possessions, I give:
Jalen Green 18 touches to initiate the offensive set
Porter jr 20
Ivey 16
Josh Christopher 15
Sengun 11 (6 post ups and 5 top of key as Olynyk role)
*Wood 10 (2 post ups and 8 isolations)

That's 90 possessions and 90 touches to initiate an offensive set.
That's all we need in year one with Ivey as a Rocket. Mathews, Tate,
Kenyon, Garuba, don't get any......Tate only if an injury occurs.

For the most part we are looking at dueling banjos on the court at all
times between any two of Green-Ivey-Porter-Christoper. But I would
start Ivey-Green-Porter.....like pure scorer's they need touches; but i
don't see these scorers as needing heavy dosage amount to get going.
And they all share the ball enough. All of them just need to hit 3's to provide
enough spacing for each other.

We could see some awesome slicing and dicing.

*Now moving beyond year one with Ivey, is Wood still with the team? JC traded?

 

I have similar thoughts but the names a different. Sharpe > Ivey BPA and I think Porter as the odd man out instead of Christopher because of contract concerns. (A paid Porter is way different issue then what we have now. Remember even our beloved Scola got amnestied.) We have witnessed Porter when he thinks he had been wronged. He is not going to take a lesser role, even as the starting 3. All that said, IMO now is the time to part ways with him if we draft a guard.

 

Ummm I don't see it that way. I saw Porter allowing Green to take control of the offense
more at seasons end and the NBA is becoming more position-less basketball....so the
label of PG, SG, SF or 1, 2 or 3 is meaningless. I'm just taking away his duties of
guarding the opposing teams 1 or PG (or facsimile there of) before defensive
switches.

Opposing teams/opposing players know Porter is a talent and is a handful
to guard. Isn't that what a team wants? Isn't that what a team pays highly
for? A facilitator that is trouble and demands the gravity of the defense and
can either get his own points or kick out. Porter provides that. I'm not sure
Sharpe does? He has never played a second of NBA ball....or college?

 

I sure hope so. Josh seems to be the odd man out, even if EG is traded. I like him. The only time he gets a bigger role is when Houston roles out the 3 guard line up. This makes us smaller on defense.

 

I agree.

I rank our facilitators as:
#1 Porter (better passer-- quarterbacking the team)
#2 Jalen Green
#3 Sengun
#4 Josh Christopher (Tate, but JC has a higher ceiling at facilitator)
#5 Wood

But add Ivey
#1 Porter
#2 Green
#3 Ivey
#4 Sengun
#5 J Christopher
#6 Wood

A Ja Morant type that is not as quick and doesn't leap as high; but is plenty
quick and leaps plenty high is nothing to just shrug off in this league.

That's where, will number 17 pick or moving up nab us a rim protector
like Mark Williams. Sochan or Eason? We would have enough facilitators.

Many here on Clutchfans see draft picks as asset chips by picking BPA....
well Ivey is a BPA pick which probably turns Josh Christopher from a pick
in the 20's to a tradable prime asset chip. Mission accomplished.

 

I have thought about that. Josh Christopher plus Wood can’t get us beyond AJ Griffin and another matching contract in my opinion, and that's not good enough. I hope we can end up with the 1st or the 2nd pick for Chet or Jabari. 17th for Mark Williams or Eason/ Sochan would be fantastic.

Another option is to move KPJ at 3, and to use Josh Christopher as a facilitator/ scorer at the 1 spot. Green will obviously remain our number one option at the 2 spot.

 

Yes, but I prefer Ivey ceiling as greater than Christopher in the same role.

Ivey provides an extra wrinkle or two. The only
drawback being a member here says his doctor said Jalen Green- Christopher-Sengun are always together. Best buds.

But Jalen is also friendly with Ivey. So the 3 amigos could coexist (Green-Ivey-JC)....
Porter may leave us in free agency eventually?

My board is
#1 Jabari
#2 Chet/Ivey (leaning towards Ivey now)
#4 Banchero

 

There's no doubt that Ivey has a higher ceiling than Josh. KPJ might have the hardest time adjusting to him. It might be best to bring Ivey off the bench initially with Green and KPJ. Josh Christopher will have to be traded in this scenario. Ivey remains 4th on my list. Chet is 1, Jabari at 2 and Paolo at 3. I will be disappointed if Murray is selected at 5. He's a 4 with some ball handling ability. A tweener in some ways.

 

You're of the opinion that Ja Morant is superior athletically to Jaden Ivey?

I've seen both and I dont believe this to be the case.

 

Easily

Ivey has strength on Morant and that seems about it and I'd pick Ivey second overall this draft so I'm not knocking him

 

If you have a point forward or center, that'd change things. Otherwise, you're just having almost the same thing. You're better getting other pieces to your championship puzzle.

 

Ivey is a nice to have improvement over kpj and Christopher. Chet is a must needed improvement at 5. We have to get big down low and be able to dominate the paint l, grab boards etc.

 

Really

I feel Ja Morant slender build allows him to be faster and I think Morant gets greater height in his leaping ability. Just my opinion

 

I mean people think Ja is the most athletic guard in the league. Green is obviously in the convo also.

 

I be happy with him or Chet with no. 1

 

Yes, my thinking is a top guard of either Ivey or Mathurin this season is better quality than
a guard picked at #14 thru #18 next season.

I find it easier to get the Kai Jones/Mark Williams type in middle of the first round. The unicorn bigs are coming out more and more as highschools have been letting them shoot from 3 sooner and sooner.

Plus getting big(s) in free agency would be all we need
as Eric Gordon and Wall come off the books.

But Jabari is my guy at #1

 

I'd be stoked to add Ivey. I have him 3 or 4 in my rankings depending on the hour. But if we take Ivey, we really have to look at Sengun starting at Center and an Ivey/Green backcourt and build around it specifically. I don't see Ivey as a good enough 3pt shooter to be able to roll with another non shooter starting. As well I think both Green and Ivey will be above average guarding point guards but we need long lock down players at the other spots.

Sengun/Garuba


Green/Christopher
Ivey/KPJ

 

Who's gonna guard the opposing center with Sengun starting? What happens when they isolate him on defense with quicker pg's? What about rebounding?

You guys always mention Sengun being a starter without mentioning he's a liability on defense