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D&D Coronavirus thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. No Worries

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    Please, please triple down.

    Hint: we are back to ... causation versus correlation. Just because a random graph form the Internet has a label does not mean what you think it means. I strongly suspect the covid infection rate depends on a variety of factors like safe distancing, mask compliance, vaccine rates, etc. In terms of math (which is clearly showing my CRT and LGBT influences), the function of covid infection is a function of multiple variables and decidedly not one variable.

    From a health stand point, the infection rate, while important, is not the be all end all stat. The mortality rate is. How many people are dying from covid? An important factor in how fatal a covid infection is is what was the viral load that caused the infection, i.e. how much covid was transmitted upon infection. It does not take a rocket surgeon to see that a properly worn face mask will reduce exposure and the triggering viral load.
     
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  2. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    So....you are saying cloth masks have "almost no effect at all", therefore, you agree that cloth masks work more than 0% of the time.

    Also, since N95 and other masks of that ilk have been proven to be much better than cloth masks, you also agree that those masks work more than 0% of the time.

    And to be clear, I am not for mask mandates one way or the other. I think any masking should be left to companies and let the free market decide. On the other hand, I also do not like it if a government entity says that a business CAN'T require masks.
     
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  3. AroundTheWorld

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    The latter protects citizens from mask mandates through the backdoor.
     
  4. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Another thing that people ignore is how the data is put together. Masks definitely reduce the amount of virus one will be exposed to - it's just a question of how much virus it takes to infect someone.

    Omicron takes a lot less virus to infect someone as it infects the upper respiratory track, where as Delta takes a lot more. So that will impact how effective masks are as well in a given situation.

    A lot of the studies around mask mandates don't take compliance and other factors into account. For example, even without mask mandates, a lot of businesses and people where masks voluntarily - so mask mandates may only be needed in certain situations and areas.
     
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  5. Invisible Fan

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    Masking does work effectively...if everyone does it.

    Asia has more individual compliance for it culturally.

    Young folk (30 under "non-politicals") and entitled folk here don't gaf.
     
  6. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Here's an example for @AroundTheWorld (though maybe it sounds like we're ending up in the same place anyway):

    1. I was in the Austin airport about a week ago, with mask mandates and alleged social distancing in place.
    2. I went through a San Francisco mall a few days ago, with no mask mandate or social distancing requirement.

    If we had a ton of medical data on all those people in the two very busy places, we could probably show that the place with the "mask mandate" and "social distancing" actually had much higher COVID transmission, while the SF mall had very little! It would make a great tweet.

    But that correlation misses the huge disconnect between local policy and inhabitant activity.
    1. In the Austin airport, plenty of people ignored the mask mandate. Not even a mask attempt. Many others wore bandanas and cloth masks (basically useless). About 40% of men wearing sufficient masks wore them under their noses, making them essentially useless. Nobody tried to maintain any distance from anyone else, and what can you expect in an airport anyway. I say all of that with no bitterness, even though my wife crippling around that airport was immune compromised. We knew our risks, wore good masks and took our chances. It's all fine.
    2. Despite no longer having a mandate for SF businesses, most people wore medical or N-95 style masks properly. About 1/3 of people had no masks. In general, people gave each other a little space -- not six feet but more than in the airport.

    So, despite the different policies "in place," I think more COVID transmission was going down at AUS compared to the busy SF mall.

    Local culture has a much greater effect on behavior than these random edicts. I think you and I agree that attempting to control human masking behavior has been, at best, a frustrating mess in so-called "free" "western" societies. But I just want to say that's different than the actual efficacy of masks. Cheers, and apologies if this is obvious or I've missed some posts.
     
  7. Os Trigonum

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    can't believe that guy has a Twitter account, he should be censored
     
  10. Os Trigonum

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    um, I mean, "content moderated"
     
  11. B-Bob

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    Not at all, but he's at odds with huge peer-reviewed articles at science and nature mags, as well as the majority of MDs. That's worth noting.

    Anyway, I see ATW is fully back to the "masks don't work" binary falsehood. Oh well. Exiting.
     
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  12. tinman

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    I heard Bane wears a mask
     
  13. Amiga

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    You time is definitely worthy for those that is wiling to consider. But for some... in one ear out the other... next tweet will be the same again. The behavior that doesn't learn, isn't open, doesn't want to consider - probably on purpose to confirm a self-value. A value that is deemed 100% correct and everything else is wrong no matter what. Proudly confirming self.
     
  14. DFWRocket

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    Here are just a few actual studies, abstracts and meta-analysis that support the use of masks in reducing transmission of SARS-CoV2 and COVID-19.

    These all reach same conclusion - that masking does indeed help reduce the spread of Coronavirus.


    https://aip.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1063/5.0016018


    https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818


    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.22.20109231v3


    https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2009637117


    https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspa.2020.0376


    https://t.co/y0dY18JraM


    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext


    https://arxiv.org/pdf/2005.12446.pdf


    https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-2567

    https://t.co/YmVchAE9yx


    https://gh.bmj.com/content/bmjgh/5/5/e002794.full.pdf


    https://www.cambridge.org/core/serv...112020003304a.pdf/flow_physics_of_covid19.pdf


    https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.0c03252


    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.20.20064899v1


    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0020748920301139


    https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.13553.pdf


    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.17.20069567v2.full.pdf


    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007800


    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6915e5.htm?s_cid=mm6915e5_w


    https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1435


    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3567438


    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.01.20049528v1.full.pdf


    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.31.20048652v1


    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.02.20051177v1.full.pdf


    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2


    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.25805


    https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2003/2003.07353.pdf


    https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2009637117


    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32167245/
     
  15. Reeko

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    I swear the whole year of inactivity I had thanks to the pandemic really aged my body, and I still haven’t recovered

    these days, if I try to go for a run, my hip and my back will be hurting

    if I try to play basketball, after 20 minutes my body is like “bro, just stop, let’s go home”
     
  16. FranchiseBlade

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    If only you knew how to actually interpret the data, though... tsk tsk tsk
     
  17. No Worries

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    I bet all of those "scientific" studies use CRT math.
     
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  19. Jugdish

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    Yeah but have you seen this tweet from this guy who says he's a surgeon on Twitter?
     
  20. rimbaud

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    And even if he is surgeons aren’t experts on and don’t set hospital policy for PPE. That would be the doctors and scientists in the Safety, Health, Environment, and Risk Management Programs for the various hospital and medical school systems.
     
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