Mutombo sets the market value - Drob/Dream 2 follow

NO one is offering Dream 10 million. I don't think anyone is doing the same for Robinson either.

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I'm not sure that Mutombo's salary is a true indicator.

1) The Sixers went to the Finals.

2) The Sixers play in the EC. Centers are at a premium there. And an older one can still perform well. (That's why Ewing will end up back in the East).

3) Mutombo was 2001 Defensive Player of the Year and Mutombo ranked:
* #1 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game(13.5)
* #5 in the NBA in Blocks Per Game(2.71)
* #1 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds 307.0)
* #1 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per Game(4.1)
* #3 in Defensive Rebounds(708.0)
* #1 in Defensive Rebounds Per Game(9.4)
* #2 in Total Rebounds(1015.0)
* #5 in Blocks(203.0)
* #13 in Double-doubles(33.0)
* #2 in Offensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(5.7)
* #1 in Defensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(13.1)
* #1 in Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(18.8)
* #7 in Blocks Per 48 Minutes(3.76)

4) Mutombo played over 2,500 minutes and has a history of not being injured.

I think the difference in market value between Dream and David Robinson is far greater than $3.0M.

A players' real market value is what a team will pay. The Rockets will let Dream walk before they pay him $10M. So that leaves the market to those teams capable of signing Dream outright. (The Rockets don't have to, need to, or want to S&T for scraps.)

Mr. Olajuwon, this is Mr. Krause and his new friends Eddie & Tyson and next meet Mr. Dumars with his sidekick Mr. Stackhouse....and have they got a deal for you.

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[This message has been edited by GATER (edited July 10, 2001).]

 

Mutombo is still near (or just past) his prime. He is still Dominant on most nights.

Dream has not been healthy for a couple years. He played great last year for 1/2 a year.
D-Rob may be able to get 10 mil in the right system. He is also past his prime but he has been able to remain healthy and still effective.

 

4chuckie , the stats page shows Mutombo as born in 1966. He's 35 years old and the contract pays him till he's 40? A few centers have played after they were 38 or so (Robert Parrish, Earl Cureton, The Jones Boys) but whew! that's a lotta cash to commit to a gieser.

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I was hoping we might be able to throw 8 mil. at Dream and the same for DRob..ending up with both...maybe even packaging Walt with others in a sign and trade for David and then signing Dream.Motumbo's 12,to me is him having leverage,with Philly over the barrel.He's probably worth 10 and if the finger wagger is worth 10,then the idea of the Rocks picking up both might not be a pipe dream after all.

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I think that Hakeem needs to drink his milk - so that foo' won't get injured !

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lets try that again suckas



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DearRock: Cato's contract has *nothing* to do with Hakeem's. Cato's value is overinflated; that doesn't mean the Rockets are obligated to overpay for talent elsewhere. The opposite is true with Mobley; Mobley is underpaid, but that doesn't mean that the Rockets can only offer 5 million to all-star caliber players.

Hakeem is probably worth about 6 million per year. No way anybody's going to give 10 mill to a player who can't be expected to play more than 50 games and won't average more than 12 and 8 or so.

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Originally posted by DearRock:
Put another way, the finals would have been different if Drob or Dream were available to Coach Brown.

Having David Robinson didn't help Popovich too much. And, only a miracle cure allowed Dream to finish the regular season.

IMHO, the Rocks need a consistent 10-12 pts & 8-10 boards and 1.5 blocks from the staring 5. Is it really necessary to spend $10M/yr for this?

Off topic - do those proponents of signing Dream and David Robinson realize this means no Mo T and no Shandon?



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Gater-
I'm resigned to the fact that Shandon won't be back. He wants big $$$ and minutes. Here he will be the back SG ang getr limited minutes at SG. With Griff, Tmo, & Walt there aren't many minutes left there either.

As far as Mo I think he fits in good with our team, but if you rank all the PFs in the laegue he is in the middle. I would much rather see: Dream, Admiral, KT, Cato than: Dream, Cato, Mo-T, KT. So I don't have anything against Mo, he is a fine player, but if we can improve ourselves I am all for it.

 

Is it financially possible? Maybe JoeB (the Shell Answer Man) is lurking somewhere and can help.

If Mutumbo was worth $12, leverage or not, then DRob has got to be worth $10 to an EC team as well.

If by some miracle Dream and DRob were both signed, that would raise the bar well beyond just making the playoffs next year.

In your scenario, would SA have to be signed and traded as well? May be too many moving parts to make it happen.


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If someone is dumb enough to pay Dikembe $13 mil, does that mean that everyone else has to pay their ageing centers $4 mil more than they're worth, too? The man is good (especially so in the east), but he ain't worth that much unless everyone else (AI) is already locked up and the owner doesn't mind the luxury.

The other centers want to stay in the West, because only Western teams win rings. Since Mike, at least.

Mutombo doesn't set the market. He's an exception, not the rule.

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Dumb enough? They were in the finals with him and would not have been without.

What is making the finals worth to a team? Far more than the million or two they may have over paid (which in this market they didn't). There are not that many double-double big men -- vets or not.

So, if you hypothetically had say $13 million you can give to Mutumbo, $10 you could give to DRob or not pay either, then you would not pay any of them? Or would you fill it with a "role" player.

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[This message has been edited by Jumanji (edited July 11, 2001).]

 

I'd take DRob at $10 mil. Mutombo is good, but Iverson is the reason they got to the finals. A guard got them there, not the center.

No one in the NBA is worth $13 million. Except perhaps a select few, like Iverson, Shaq, Kobe, and pretty soon Steve

That extra $3 mil is the difference between being stuck with a team for a contract's duration and having the wiggle room to get another center when your existing one is past his prime.

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I'm with Gater here and have to disagree. Mutombo had a great year, and did you see him play in the finals? Before that series began he somehow found a big man with offensive game, beat the hell out of him, and stole it.

He's no Olajuwon in his prime or Shaq offensively, but he sure shocked me with what he could do. I gained a lot of respect for Mutombo.

Rok


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[This message has been edited by Rokkit (edited July 11, 2001).]

 

Rokkit:

Do you think he deserves $13 mil?

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AI played hurt for most the playoffs and even missed a game. Mutumbo showed that he can carry a team when called upon. He surprised a lot of people.

In the grand scheme of things, you are right. None of these guys deserve this kind of money but the tickets get sold anyway. So, in the great capitalist market, we wouldn't buy'em if they weren't worth it.

Personally, referring back to Hardwood's post, I would take DRob and Dream at $8 apiece before Mutumbo for $13.


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