[Official] Evan Mobley as a Cleveland Cavaliers thread

I remember there was a period when I said playing with vets like Rubio and Allen helped Mobley eased into his rookie year and that helped with Cleveland's success. So much laughter and ridicule from one group of posters. Pepperidge Farm remembers.

 

I was ridiculed by them when I called them out for being absolutely certain after less than half a season that Mobley would be a much better player than Green. He might still be better than Green. But boy are their crystal ball becoming so cloudy now.

 

So why could they not have similar developments to Green?

Why can't their developments have been stunted offensively because they had other players carrying that load?

This makes zero sense if Barnes or Mobley played on the Magic or the Rockets they would probably be more of the offense like Green.

Let's be real, it's much easier to put up numbers on a historically losing team than a playoff.

I have no idea why people feel the need to diminish what Mobley has done to pump up Green.

Wait wut?

Has Green impacted winning?

How do you use that as a knock on Mobley, but somehow Green is immune from that same take.

 

It's much harder to put up numbers EFFICIENTLY on a historically losing team. Yes, it's not hard to score a lot of points when you are the only guy on the team who can score. But it's very hard to be efficient if your team is a bad offensive team. The Rockets are 27# on offense this season.

You are also ignoring the fact that Green's usage rate is quite low compared to most volume scorers. So it's not like he scored a lot of points by hogging the ball and jacking up tons of shots.

 

nice

 

Is your implication that if Mobley or Barnes had been drafted to the Magic/Rockets that they'd be similar to Green offensively? They're both amazing players and will probably be multiple All NBA Defenders. But neither is capable of hitting Green's (or Cade's) level offensively.

The reality is that both players were drafted into good situations where they're not asked for much offensively. Just good solid defense and put the ball in the hoop if you have a bunny available. The idea that they impact "winning" more than Cade or Green is straight up ridiculous and has been the entire year. Championship teams have been built with Green and Cade types being their best player. Barnes and Mobley just aren't that. They'll be amazing second or third options though.

 

1. No, he has not.

2. Because the post I was replying to said that “no other rookie impacts winning as much as Evan Mobley has in Cleveland, and he’s done it on both ends of the floor.”

Without Jarrett Allen, he has not impacted winning. That isn't a hot take, that is a fact.

Signed,

Big fan of Evan Mobley. Untwist your panties.

 

I can't disagree with any of this.

Panties untwisted.

 

Love ya fellow Rocket Bro

 

A bit of comparison point:

Jalen Green before February 1st first (35 games)
14/3/2 on 37/29/83, TS 50%

Jalen Green since February 1st (28 games)
20/3/3 on 46/40/78, TS 59%

Evan Mobley before February 1st first (43 games)
15/8/3 on 51/29/66, TS 55%

Evan Mobley since February 1st first (24 games)
15/8/3 on 51/17/67, TS 55%

Evan Mobley has been practically identical throughout the entire season, so he has more or less sustained what he started with. Green on the other hand has taken a drastic leap in his 2nd half of the season.

However, just for the same of comparison, if we look at the individual offensive and defensive rating during the same period.

Jalen Green before February 1st first (35 games)
OFFRTG: 98.5
DEFRTG: 116.5

Jalen Green since February 1st (28 games)
OFFRTG: 111.9
DEFRTG: 117.1

Evan Mobley before February 1st first (43 games)
OFFRTG: 106.9
DEFRTG: 102.7

Evan Mobley since February 1st first (24 games)
OFFRTG: 109.9
DEFRTG: 113.9

Mobley's individual defensive rating craters completely. Granted, defensive rating is quite team dependent, but the marked drop more or less coincides with Jarett Allen's injury. On the other hand, Green's offensive rating sky rockets, and more or less coincides with his incredible improvements, even though the Rockets aren't winning more games.

 

Spoon fed

 

Some were upset when it was mentioned that you could insert the other Mobley in there and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. You're always going to need good role players so it's not a wasted pick. 14/8 and live off Jarret's rim intimidation, not a bad gig for Evan.

 

1. You’re right. I’m just having a little fun. Nobody in their right mind would say Moses Brown is as good or better than Evan Mobley, just like nobody would say Garrison Mathews is way better than Jalen Green and JG needs to come off the bench. Right?

2. I don’t know what the actual percentage is right now, but the vast majority of Mobley’s baskets were assisted at one point in time. Not sure if that is still the case, but doesn’t seem coincidental that a bum off the street is plugged in his place and is literally being spoon fed the same buckets on better efficiency.

3. Lastly, Garrison Mathews’s buckets are mostly assisted. Can’t create his own shot at all so he has a lot more common with Brown and Mobley than he actually does with Green

 

Crazy. Is it somehow possible his thin frame and being forced to play center due to Allen's absence has something to do with his bad defense?

Lots of the "knowledgeable" posters here were swearing up and down its a new age and you dont need muscle mass to play defense in the post.

 

What happened to 4rth option Evan Mobley @D-rock

Can you shed some light why Moses Brown is now putting up Mobleyesque nos?

 

Because Mobley was playing out of position at 5 when JA went out.

Mobley is a 4. Can even play 3.

And please learn basketball, Moses Brown has only played 2 games AND he is playing his natural position, the 5.

Do you understand small sample size or advanced stats?