Carlos Correa to the Twins - 3 Years, $105 Million

Makes no sense no matter where you put the blame. What the heck happened? This isn’t Russia.

At least it’s not the Yankees.

 

Get it all off your chests. The Astros will be OK and in better shape to keep other talent now. Everybody had pretty much given up on signing Carlos and he just didn't get the deal he thought he would. Now Minnesota had their next Donaldson Deal taking all the downside risk and none of the upside security.

 

The first offer was generous and Carlos didn't think so. They upped the offer after a good season and it was still generous. Carlos was butt hurt.

Last year was probably the best season of his career. It's all downhill from here.

 

No leader in the clubhouse. Just followers. Altuve, Bregman, Alvarez etc are followers. Correa was the leader. Astros are going to fall off by a lot.

 

Correa didn’t want to sign here because we didn’t offer a 45 year deal

 

Springer was the leader. No, Carlos was the leader. No...

Every player lost becomes, "The Sky Is Falling."

And it won't change next year.

 

Screw Correa! This was his decision because of his pride and ego got hurt for us not offering him $45 million a year! We offered him a generous offer and he got butt hurt with it, so he decides to listen to his dumb ass agent Boras advice and take less (to say F U to Crane) and play for a sorry ass team like the Twins instead of going back to the World Series with his boys! If Correa really wanted to, he could of taken a lil less with us and compete for multiple World Series with us but no his ass chose the dumb route.

 

I'm absolutely astonished we couldn't beat that.

Or any other team for that matter.

 

I mean Watson gone was a good thing.

But now, the city of Houston is in Jalen Green's hands. He needs to be the city:s next big superstar.

But man I feel so sad about Correa leaving. He and Altuve were the heart of the team.

 

Correa gets to opt out the first two seasons, Correa is still going for the

correa wants the 10 year contract. He will opt out next year and explore the market again. If he get hurt, he has the three year contact.

 

The whole idea of free insurance against poor performance with opt outs and player options has to come to an end. It's not like we didn't do the same with Verlander. Injury can be mitigated with expensive insurance, though the Cap Space is not mitigated. But under-performance risk should be part of the risk reward analysis by both player and team in negotiations.

This idea that the team is obligated to pay you when you under-perform and you walk if you over-perform is ludicrous.

 

While I expect you are correct, Correa didn’t seem like someone who would go with emotion over logic.

I would have to assume multiple other teams (including the Astros) would match/beat this offer. If Correa is going to do what is essentially a one year deal, he should want to be in a place where it would give him the best opportunity to put up a great season. I can’t imagine the Twins was that situation. It’s not a terrible situation for him, but I can’t imagine he could have gotten a better deal with a higher AAV or an opt-out that guaranteed him more total money.

Correa’s expectations have always seems to be based on what he feels he’s worth than what the market will pay, but I think he either got bad advice from both his agents or didn’t listen to them.

 

Next man up!

 

Let’s hope Peña surprises us as a rookie

 

You don't think the Twins can make the playoffs? Or did I misread your post?

 

Let’s not forget Correa also has tarnished the Astros.

It was also Correa who helped bring all of this cheating scandal to the Astros.
Astros offered him a fair deal at 5 years 160.

What teams wants a three year contract with 2 player opt outs. Correa will be a free agent next year unless he gets hurt.

 

Here's what happened:

1. Correa was insulted by last year's low ball offer before the season started. 5 years $125 million or something similar. Correa was further insulted by the Astros offering 5 years, $160 million at the start of free agency. Low key bad blood has formed.
2. Correa truly believed he could get a Lindor type deal, and then Cory Seager got 10 years $325 million and now Correa is thinking even bigger.
3. Correa tests the market (pre-lockout) and didn't get what he wanted. Fires his agent. Hires Boras. At this point, we have a solid clue that it's all about the money.
4. Lockout ends, players start to move, and Correa/Boras continue to hold unrealistic expectations. (or perhaps Boras knew what Correa wanted wasn't available and saw an opportunity to make himself more $$$ next year. Boras is smarter and more experienced than anyone other agent)
5. The Astros were emboldened after Correa/Boras come back them after not finding what they wanted on the open market.
6. Crane likely felt vindicated that the Astros' offer was a closer approximation to "market price" than Correa's expectation. Ego gets involved with Crane/Correa trying to prove who was right. The Astros then likely held firm or only modestly sweetened their offer, which further frustrated Correa. True bad blood now exists and the mental bridge is crossed that Correa is moving on.
7. Boras, acting in his self-interest, convinces Correa to try again next year for a 10-year deal. Now the early opt-out becomes the goal. This is a MAJOR risk to Correa, given his injury history. And it's a major bonus to Boras, who doesn't have to share in the commission on next year's contract.
8. Correa/Boras re-approach the market looking for early opt-outs. The Astros likely had put their best foot forward already in the negotiations and would have had a disadvantage in reshaping those discussions.
9. When I heard that Baltimore and Minnesota were in the running, then it was crystal clear that it was about the opt-out. These are not desirable team situations or desirable cities.

Conclusions
1. Boras played Correa. Correa is subjecting hundreds of millions of dollars to the risk that he won't get injured. RISKY. Boras gets his bag next year.
2. Astros stayed disciplined. This is a good thing in terms of wanting us to contend long term. May not be a good thing to win a near-term title. The Astros were truly concerned by injury history and didn't want an albatross contract. The Astros believe there are better values for money out there. Hopefully that means they believe in Jeremy Pena.
3. Correa's early opt-out is all but guaranteed to occur (assuming no injuries). Correa views 2022 in Minnesota as a BUSINESS TRIP.
4. This is a business -- both sides have to make rational decisions. I think the Astros' decision was more rational than Correa's decision.

 

3 years 105 Twins
5 years 160 Astros

Correa must have demanded Astros give him an opt out for first two years of the 5 year contract and Crane said no.
Correa was never coming back to Houston.
Astros gave Correa a fair deal.

 

I hate seeing him go, but his back problems won't be going away, even if he is.

 

Verlander’s guarantee is only 2 years and for a lot less money per year, so the risk to the team is a lot lower. In Correa’s case even if he has a bad year, short of significant injury he’s going to opt-out. Even with a mediocre year, he’ll get a better contract next year than two years for $70M.

Owners systematically underpay players for the most productive portions of their careers. I don’t mind the players getting what they can on opt outs.