Hosmer isn't someone i like but he's a good defensive player and with better hitters around him might improve some. Yuli is on borrowed time at his age... gives us more options... Pena is more likely a bust than a solution... if Yuli can handle left some there could be an eventual option to replace Brantley if Bregman goes ba k to 3rd and a ss is found... Hassell is a big get to take on the salary... cf is likely still a need in 2 years... he has a higher ceiling than Tuck... could be Acuna / Robert ceiling.... Basically it's buying Hassell and adding experienced depth... You can not like it but you have to admit the logic... I'll take Hosmer for 4 years before Story for 4 to 6... Hosmer is the better hitter...
so Hassell, a 20-year old middling A-ball player is a sure thing, but Pena, the 24-year old AAA stud is likely a bust? Makes sense.
Pena is old for his level and Hassell is young. Are you really calling the top prospect in one of the best systems "middling"? You're operating under a false binary view. Also, half a season of stud play in many years of non stud play seems like an outlier doesn't it?
I’m saying it’s silly to call a 20-year old A-ball player a sure thing, and a 24-year old that will be on a Major League club next season a bust. It’s apparent you like Hassell, and it’s possible he becomes a player in the league, but it’s far from a sure thing. I’m sure you’ll remind all of us of this 2 years from now when you’re beating the drum on some other asinine trade.
Pena isn't old for his level. Pena has good numbers across his career and considered a good defensive SS.
Blue Jays gonna be tough. I’ve seen futures odds with them +2000 or more for the WS which seems like a good bet even before the Chapman trade.
1) I said Pena is more likely to be a bust than a solution. I didn't say he was for sure a bust. 2) There's a huge difference in talent level. If i told you there was a raffle for a car and each ticket was $10,000. If you buy the Ford ticket there's a 30% chance you win. You could instead get a ticket for a Tesla for a chance at 25%. The logical choice is the Tesla drawing because the expected value is greater. The odds might actually be flipped in many ways because 24 year olds with have a season of great play seem less likely someone who is 20 and was a top 10 pick... 3) You call the trade asinine but at no point specify any issue you have with it. My main concern would be plugging Bregman at short...
“It’s not like I really feel I have to come in and prove myself, but I want to do better than what I did last year,” Odorizzi said. “It’s more of a personal pride type of thing. I know I wasn’t really the pitcher that I was last year, and it was difficult — one of the most difficult years just collectively. I think just getting back to being the normal me would be a better way of looking at it from my perspective.” … Asked on Tuesday whether it irked him not to appear in the elimination game, Odorizzi said, “We know how it went, so yeah. “Looking back on it, maybe it could have been different,” Odorizzi continued. “Again, it’s way (in the) past. Dwell on it, focus on it, and then move past it. That time has really benefited me, not having to think about it anymore. “I took my time after the season to reflect, kind of get all that out of my system — all those thoughts, all those emotions I had about how things ended. Moving on from that was a really nice thing. Hopefully, we’re in that spot again (this) year and it can be productive.” Odorizzi acknowledged he allowed himself a brief “decompress” after the World Series. Cognizant of a looming lockout that would restrict any contact with coaches, he consulted with incoming pitching coach Josh Miller for an offseason checklist. Odorizzi threw off the mound starting in January in an attempt to build his velocity quicker than usual before spring training. The effort will allow him to hone his focus on his off-speed pitches in spring training, be it by adjusting their break or altering their shape. Miller said Odorizzi focused mostly on his slider, specifically on how to differentiate it from his cutter. Odorizzi uses both secondary pitches against righthanded hitters. Opponents slugged .500 against the 140 sliders he threw last season, according to Baseball Savant. They whiffed against it at a 21 percent rate. In 2017 and 2018, Odorizzi generated at least a 29.1 percent swing-and-miss rate with the pitch. “It was definitely a productive offseason. A lot of drive went into it, and I feel like I’m in a really nice spot,” Odorizzi said. “I feel good about it, and I think that’s the big thing. I feel good. I feel healthy, and I’m at a good starting point to ramp up very quickly. Better than last year’s point, when it was a little bit of craziness for me.” Odorizzi threw his first bullpen session Tuesday and is scheduled to face hitters Friday. By opening day, Odorizzi estimates, he could throw at least five innings. The Astros seemed hesitant to allow him any more than that last season. Now, they might not have a choice. Ultimately, Odorizzi’s performance will dictate the decisions. He yielded a 1.349 OPS to opponents in their third plate appearance last season. The Astros were not wrong to monitor him when the lineup turned around a third time. Only Odorizzi can change the narrative. “Last year’s last year,” Odorizzi said. “I’m past it. It doesn’t really do anybody any good to dwell on what we did last year. We need to focus on this year. I’m in a great spot mentally and physically and happy.”
Correct on the good numbers. He had never had great numbers until last season which was half a season. If he was so awesome before he wouldn't be 24 in AAA he would be 21 or 22... Perhaps i wasn't clear on my description... he's old for his level for someone who would be a star someday... most stars are in the big leagues prior to 24... AAA is full of journeymen roster fillers who are much older..
So you're just gonna ignore the fact that he lost almost 2 whole seasons of development time? He would have been 22 in AAA 18 months ago if not for covid. And he posted extremely good numbers in 2019, just hadn't filled out his power yet.
Wouldn’t surprise me at all for Odo to have a really good season, whether for the Astros or another team. I don’t want Houston to trade him if it means eating any of his contract. He is worth the $17M/2yrs left on his deal.
Say what you want about the Astros. They don't leak a damn thing when it comes to contract negotiations. "Astros planning new offer..." 24 hours later... Spoiler
I'm confused, you're claiming Hassell was playing and developing while Pena wasn't due to covid? Extremely good numbers? Not on baseball reference but extremely good can be a subjective term... less than 20 homers and a solid average and ob% are good to me.. he's not doing 1.000 ops or close to it.. We have no top 100 prospects in mlb. This would be a chance to get one... I don't like Hosmer but would consider it if Correa is gone... No need to take it personally that I'm not out there assuming Pena is some stud shortstop in mlb starting next year... I'm fine rolling the dice on him but would hedge because like Toro he could be inconsistent and hurt us short term...
Quoted for truth. It's kinda hard to advance through the minors when they don't have a season, or you get hurt and can't play. Not to mention a skinny guy like Pena took some time to put meat on his bones.
Wasn't George Springer a 24 year old in AAA? Matt Chapman too Adley Rutschman? 24 in AAA #1 prospect in baseball When you go to college, odds are you are eventually going to be a 23-24 year old in AAA. Pena is a guy they need to be finding a way to get playing time not trying to find a way to keep him off the field. He needs to be your future super utility guy if nothing else.
I didn't say a damn thing about Hassell. Whether Pena will be any good or not I don't know, I just corrected your objectively wrong criticisms of him. He is rated a top 100 prospect in multiple listings, as high as 16.
