Rockets open to a new range of shooting: the ‘middies’

THIS IS GENIUS!!! TRUE GENIUS but dumbalytics too busy calculating % and puting % labels on everything...

 

wake me up when rockets approve the new range of minutes open for josh, sengun, garuba and green

lolololol these guys really live in middle ages

 

Heres the top 10 in midrange with stats (midrange % in bold):

PLAYER TEAM AGE MID-RANGE FGM MID-RANGE FGA MID-RANGE FG%
DeMar DeRozan CHI 32 4.0 8.3 48.4
Kevin Durant BKN 33 3.9 7.0 55.3
Brandon Ingram NOP 24 3.0 7.1 42.9
Devin Booker PHX 25 2.7 6.0 45.0
Joel Embiid PHI 27 2.7 6.4 41.4
LaMarcus Aldridge BKN 36 2.7 4.7 57.6
Paul George LAC 31 2.7 6.0 45.3
Seth Curry PHI 31 2.4 3.9 61.8
Bradley Beal WAS 28 2.3 4.5 50.0
Chris Paul PHX 36 2.3 4.3 54.0

I look at that list and think, outside of Durant, Aldridge, Curry, and Paul, the other guys are being inefficient but probably get away with it because they do a bunch of other things well so no one tells them what to do.

 

If their numbers are not good those things were won despite them taking stupid shots, bit because of it.

If you happen to be one of the few who can hit stupid low efficiency shots at a high rate, then it's fine otherwise you're hurting your team by taking them.

 

It does not take a genius to know that a 3 pointer gives you 3 points and midrange gives you only 2 points.

It is like discussing melee weapon vs long range sniper rifles.

At the end you can still do damage with a blade.

 

IMHO THE reason why we don’t have multiple championships in the Harden era. The Rockets refused to take a mid range until CP3 came along. Harden’s midrange in his OKC days were unstoppable. Somehow he got away from all of that when he became a star. I blame Morey and the system he implemented. Coaches had no option but to run it. Glad to see they’re finally changing their mind on midranges now. Nothing will keep a defense on its toes than an effective midrange game.

 

i'm just gonna post part of my sig here...

3/4/22 I find it interesting that Emblid is the front runner for MVP... but i thought 'big men were unplayable in todays NBA'...too much of a liability on d...?
DeRozan is making a living on the mid-range... i thought those were bad shots....
Team with the best record in the league in 26th on 3pa... so i guess a team doesnt have to live or die by the 3...

 

I think that's a good comparison, a moderately skilled person with a gun defeats all but the most elite with a blade in nearly every situation.

Same goes for nba shots. A moderately skilled player taking 3's is better than all but the most elite when it comes to midrange.

 

Been saying this since only 3&layups madness started…. Lets see now that everybody will see benefits how elementary school excel mathematicians spin the narrative. Morey can pretend he has elite system and team in philly. And then get spanked by mainly-midrange KD again

 

Some of it is team spacing. In a 5 out where others stand around the perimeter, when the ball is in action, Green has room to run around and pull up for a middie. Green being efficient at it right now, should have the green light. Since he is one of the focus by opposing teams, going 3 tier scoring helps counter other team's defense. Strategically it make sense, you don't want to play rock-paper-scissors, but predictably only choose two of the 3 options.

As far as shot selection for any Rocket player, they should look at their own shot selection profile.

• Is his 3pt % greater than 33.333333% at least, how does it compare to league average (~35%). If at 3pt league avg pct, still makes sense over a middie because that person's 3 / threat of the 3, helps more on spacing for the team, including others like Green who will take a mid range.
• How good is that person finishing around the rim versus a middle range shot; both two points.
  • If that person is short or have trouble finishing over length, maybe the mid range make sense.
  • Mid range vs near rim finish (2 pt vs 2 pt), one con on the middie is that near basket finish (layup/dunk/floater), has a higher chance to get fouled. Some of this is predicated on how good the other team's defense (defending without fouling).

Green, Wood and maybe KPJ should take some. They just have to be efficient at it to get the green light.

There is some situation for it like, if whole team is cold from 3, and opposing defense just packs the paint and ref not calling a def 3 sec, Rockets switching to middies could be the answer to droughts.

 

No. Absolutely no. Not all shooters can just shoot mid range. The pro-midrange STILL doesn't understood that the anti-midrange crowd was only against it for sub-elite shooters.

If sub-elite players start shooting mid range to keep defenses honest, true shooting, efficiency, points per possession ALL go down. So who cares if the defense is honest when you score less points? This is just simple math.

Ariza, PJ Tucker, Gerald Green were all shooters. They were good at 3s and average to below average mid range. As a result, Morey said to only shoot 3s. CP was elite mid range and that is one of the biggest reasons why Morey got him. WE NEARLY BEAT THE BEST TEAM OF ALL TIME USING THIS STRATEGY.

why is this so hard for people to understand..

 

Those guys all suck. We need to stick to the Morey plan of only layups and threes (with bad shooters like Tate) or I’m done with this team. WHY CAN’T EVERYONE SEE ALL THE SUCCESS AND TITLES WE’VE WON WITH THIS BRILLIANT PHILOSOPHY AND JUST SHUT UP ABOUT STUPID MID-RANGE SHOTS!!!!!!!!!

 

this is a 2 dimenisonal stance that costed harden dearly....

theres such things as tired legs, theres such thing as what defense gives you, what defense does not expect and what defense expect...when you legs and hands are tired(ie playoffs), when youre playing injured, its harder to shoot 3 than midrange...this is where your available averages dont work.....this is why averages are deceitful... statistic can never gather all available and relevant data...every situation is unique and specific...

theres also such thing as heating process... you dont just jump out of bed in the morning and beat the world record... first you sit on your bed, then walk around a little etc there is antural process and transition from one activity to another

so sometimes you need easier shots first to get into rhythm...FORGET ABOUT EFFICIENCY...it s a disease to try to be efficient all the times.... you lose all the gusto and flair... YOU LOSE PLAYFULLNESS

ALSO if your'e shooting shooting only from 2 spots on the floor your brain AND AIMING MECHANISM IN IT lacks appropriate feedback which is essential to good shooting....

theres a reason why the saying shooters need to see ball go tru the net in order to heat up...

jrue holiday and yanis were perhaps inneficient a bit because they took few midrangeres here and there but because of that their offense was less predictable and more efficient in other areas

AND
and BEING INNEFICiENT they practiced enough midrangers in order to BECOME ABLE to go to them in the clutch or when its the only choice defense is giving you......AND THEY WON IT ALL....harden cant do that... because he never takes them.....he cant go to midrange in the clutch or when its the only shot defense is giving you because he was hyper efficient ie pennypinching

 

>Just take away the 3 and pack the paint, and you'd stop this gimmicky offense!

Does everyone here get their opinions from talking heads at ESPN? There isn't a single defense in the NBA that isn't trying to stop open 3s while denying good looks at the rim.

The MId-Range is not a primary tool, its a bail-out shot for when the defense denies you a good look from 3 or at the rim. It also does not open up oppertunities from 3 or at the rim. Even for someone as amazing as Kevin Durant, I'd rather have him take mid-range shots at 50% then have him take 3s at 40% or shots at the rim at 60% plus FTs.

Elite mid-range shooters allow offenses to be somewhat productive even when the defense plays them perfectly.

Besides, there's maybe 5 players who can shoot well enough from Mid-Range to seriously raise the floor of an offense (Paul, DeRozan, Durant, Leonard, and Bradley Beal). If Jalen Green is #6, then we've hit gold in this draft.

 

lol your analytics is severely lacking ....it never takes in account psychology , injuries effects on shots on the crowd, effects of the crowd on the game, on the refs and vice versa etc...

1 by taking midrange your offense becomes more efficient overall because its less predictable and harder to contain .....so midrange is efficient for most players because it improves overall efficiency

2 taking midrangers non stop you develop a weapon for the clucth

3 you develop weapon for the situations when all you need is scoreboard to keep moving

4 when youre tired or/and injured midranger is a lot easier and more efficient shot

5 STOP PRETENDING THERES A 3 POINT SHOT ALWAYS AVAILABLE....helooooooooooooo brain! where is you efficiency brain???!!!
SOMETIMES defenses overload at 3 point line and at the rim......WHAT DO YOU DO THEN?

5 JRUE holiday and yanis are sub-elite shooters and they won title by shooting midrange a lot in the crysis and during the game because it made them more dangerous versatile and less predictable... they couldnt have done it only by shooting layups

6 NEVER FORGET cp3 beat lebron in the playoffs playing with ONE HAND NOT EVEN SHOOTING 3 POINTERS AT ALL

7 TAKE THAT FOR DATA

8 JON BON JOVI ....YOU GIVE LOVE/ANALYTICS A BAD NAME

 

your opinion is maybe efficient but its not accurate and couldn't be further from the truth....thats called penny pinching with your brain....

 

Yes you argued that the game we missed 20+ 3’s in a row…that Harden adding in some midrange in a game we lost by 7/8 points would not of made a diff ‍♂️

 

People need to stop pretending theres a 3 pt shot always available, sometimes(mostly in the playoffs when gameplani8ng and praparation is more detailed) defenses purposefully run you off 3 pt line and have rim protector under the rim(or the refs)....so its either a midrange or logo shot...

and if you willfully neglected midrange during the season because its 'innefficient' when that happens you will be lockdown and your 3 pt % will become even worse....

its like you are hungry and starving and you wont eat fish because it contains traces of lead lolololol

or you are lost in the widerness dying of thirst and refuse to drink from a forest spring because it hasn't been clinically tested and might be contaminated by germs lolololol

 

or its like a super clean person that always use disinfectants on every thing for fear of germs and when the lifes turbulences throws them off into an unknown situation every little germ she catches on is very harmful to her...

unlike person who used to live every day without disinfectants and developed super strong imune system that wont be bothered a bit by new germs it meets in unexpected situation

such is the case of the teams that only take 'efficient shots'....they crumble when these shots are not available...

 

Curry and Kerr laughed at us when they shot midranges to eliminate us while we shot 0-27 from 3.