Guys on 610 say Rocks supposedly offered 3yrs at 10million

Apologies accepted. No problem at all. I think I misunderstood as well.

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BTW, has anyone calculated the cap destruction it would cause the Rockets to give Robinson $10 million of their raw cap room? Who goes? Taylor, Shandon, Moochie, Dream? Probably could only keep one of those players at that point, if you're lucky.

Clutch,

That is one of the primary things that is misunderstood on this board. The two most important free agents of the bunch, Taylor and Moochie, could be resigned with a Robinson 3 year 30 million dollar deal. With the ability to give 10% raises yearly, Robinson's contract would be at about 9 million for next year. We have 15 million in cap room approximately, and you could easily give Mo a deal starting at 5.5 million and increasing yearly and keep Robinson. On top of that, Mooch's unrenounced rights only cost us 680K, so as I understand it, we can wait until all others are signed and then resign Mooch, with his rights only costing us 680K. I don't think Robinson is quite worth 10 mil-- 8 mil per year is more like it-- but I would probably pay 10 if somehow we could convince San Antonio to take Cato in a sign and trade. However, as much as I think it would help this team to get David, I don't think the Rockets would have the guts to do such a move because of PR reasons.

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Is Moochie worth a Maloney-esque contract?

7 years for what, 17-19 mill?

Committing 7 years to a backup PG is salary cap suicide...

I like Moochie, but the Rockets shouldn't offer more than 1.5 to 2 million dollars to a backup, unless he is a 6th man of the year contender...




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[This message has been edited by RocksMillenium (edited July 10, 2001).]

 

The Cat is right.

And for those very same numbers, we can pretty much give Dream a blank check if we can just get Mo' to take the $4.5m for two years until he reaches Full Bird.

By giving Dream any price, we could demand that he sign a 1 yr deal. The 1 yr deal could be our bargaining chip. If he balks at that, we can then say that a 2yr deal is going to have to be for less per year.

If we can't bluff Mo' into a $4.5m 2-yr deal which affords Dream any price for a yr, we can still get Dream $9m for one yr and Mo' starting salary in the $5.5m range like The Cat says we can do for Robinson. We have to renounce Shandon to do this though, and forego his Bird rights for a year, thus lose him.

What does this give us
By getting Dream to sign ANY one yr deal, we free up around $10m next summer all over again. Basically, we delay using our cap space for one year, allowing us to keep Dream. Of course, I would rather get Dream and have some cap space during this upcoming season to help lube some February trades, but it doesn't seem like that can happen, except in the unlikely event that we purge Cato's salary this summer.

My priority GM moves are:

<OL>[*]Get Dream to sign a 1 yr deal.[*]Bluff Mo' into taking a $4.5m for 2 yrs,[*]If the Mo' bluff fails, try the Cato contract on Mo and reel in Dream at $8-9m for one yr,[*]Save money on Shandon and spend it on Mo' and Dream...just jettison him.[*]Bluff Moochie into a 7yr deal at Maloney pay.[*]SAVE SAVE SAVE...we need to Save for a flexibility in landing a future center via trade or free agency.[/list=a]

[This message has been edited by crispee (edited July 09, 2001).]

 

kidrock8

First off, last summer we gave a backup SG a 6yr contract. Everyone loved it because he was thought to be under market for what other teams were willing to give Mobley.

Maloney's contract is 7yr for $15m, which is exactly the price range you are talking about. It starts at like $1.6 with 12.5% raises.

Regarding back-up point guards not being worth 7yr contracts, I agree when your offense isn't centered around a guard-oriented attack with a premier PG, for sure. I even agree with our guard-oriented offense and its increased importance on guards, as you should be able to find a veteran PG in a pinch any year. What I am saying is Moochie is near starter PG quality, and Dallas looks like they are trying to set Market Value at twice the Maloney contract.

So, Kidrock8, if a 7yr/$15m gets you 50% below Market, don't you take that?

Would you pay Moochie $3m for 3 years versus my suggested starting salary of $1.6 for 7yrs?

 

I like Moochie, but the Rockets shouldn't offer more than 1.5 to 2 million dollars to a
backup, unless he is a 6th man of the year contender...

That depends on how you look at it. Personally, I think Moochie is one of the top 5 6th men in the league. And the importance should be placed on who finishes the game, not who starts the game. I'd be more concerned about keeping Rudy's 5 guys who play in the 4th quarter than those who play in the 1st.

P.S.-- Are you saying we should dump Kenny Thomas, Moochie Norris, Walt Williams, Terence Morris, and possibly Jason Collier if they want more than 2 million per season? If you're only willing to give 1.5-2 million per season on backups, you better be prepared to be in the lottery a long time.


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somebody needs remindin' that the CBA is gone

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