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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Contributing Member
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    Do you even know how NATO works?

    Don't bother answering since as predicted you didn't give an honest answer.

    What I can read there though is that you don't actually believe in Ukrainian sovereignty.
     
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  2. El_Conquistador

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    Realistically, no one has ever believed in Ukrainian sovereignty.

    By the way, below is a list of other countries where the US has disrespected their sovereignty. 16 countries since 1980. Would you say that our foreign relations are a little out of control after promoting and implementing regime change this many times in the recent past?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change
     
  3. Agent94

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    As long as we are stating broad generalizations with no basis in reality, all the hardcore conservative I know were losers who got pick on in grade school. Then bought a couple of gun and talked **** on the internet to the point they think they are tough guys now. This is why Kyle Rittenhouse is their new hero.
    Also the whole incel movement seems to be hard core right wing. Not being able to attract a women must really make you bitter.
     
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  4. joshuaao

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    At the end of the day, NATO is a strategic alliance of Western countries meant to act as a deterrent to Russian aggression. We don’t have to let every country in if it’s not strategically beneficial to the alliance. You can believe in Ukraine sovereignty and still think that it isn’t strategically beneficial to add them to NATO.

    If the US knew that inviting Ukraine to NATO would not be strategically beneficial, then the US could signal to other NATO countries that we shouldn’t let Ukraine in. Maybe the rest of NATO ignores the US’s perspective and still votes to let Ukraine in, but more likely than not, they would heed our advice and not let Ukraine in, given our military strength and influence (even without coercion from us). I think that’s what @Trader_Jorge is trying to say
     
  5. Xopher

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    Do you know how long we have had a charter with Ukraine? This is a revised one. There are very little changes from this one and the previous. This had absolutely nothing to do with Putin invading Ukraine this time.
     
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  6. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Are you saying you support Putin's invasion of Ukraine?
     
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  7. Xerobull

    Xerobull You son of a b!tch! I'm in!

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    He's proving that the GOP and Fox news is bought or blackmailed and paid for by Russia.
     
  8. El_Conquistador

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    LOL, no. You don't have the horsepower to participate in this dialogue, rookie.
     
  9. El_Conquistador

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    LOL, false. I'm proving that the people who control Joe Biden made an incredibly poor miscalculation with their handling of Ukraine.

    And by the way, this is the same country that made Joe Biden's family rich. Are you starting to see how things work?
     
  10. geeimsobored

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    You could really go back to 1994 when the US and UK signed the Budapest Memorandum. We've more or less been obligated to protect Ukraine since the fall of the Soviet Union.
     
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  11. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Next Rockets coach confirmed. *clap clap*
     
  12. jiggyfly

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    Nothing good happens in a waffle house parking lot.

    Only lots of regret.
     
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  13. Xerobull

    Xerobull You son of a b!tch! I'm in!

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    Oh I get it. Politicians are all dirty lying scoundrels.
     
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  14. Nook

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    No.

    Who cares, Russia doesn't dictate foreign policy for the rest of the world.

    No, listen to what Putin has said. He has said that he wants to create an imperial Russian empire that includes former Soviet Republics, which he claims did not lawfully break from the USSR.


    No the trigger was the fall of the Soviet Union and the rise of Putin.

    He has made it clear that he intends to add former Soviet republics.

    He has invaded Ukraine before, and he has taken land in the past as well.

    No, look at the actions of Putin since he has taken control of Russia.

    To better understand all this, how would America respond if China signed a partnership to allow Mexico to join a group hostile to the US (like NATO is hostile towards Russia) and then China started moving huge amounts of weapons to Laredo, Matamoros, and Tijuana? Would we sit idly by? Then how can we expect Russia to do the same when the complete idiots in the Biden Administration signed the November 10th strategic partnership agreement? Trump was endlessly attacked by the media, government agencies, and intel agencies because he did NOT support NATO's absurd desires for a shooting war with Russia.[/QUOTE]

    This doesn't surprise me.

    80 years ago you would be arguing that Hitler's march into Poland was justified because he warned the rest of Europe.

    You are a traitor to your country and a coward...... but entertaining, so it is okay.
     
  15. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    I'm starting to see the signs of your mental degradation. You and Biden aren't so different.
     
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  16. Nook

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    @Trader_Jorge the wealthy Mexican industrialist with his Mexican Nazi friends.
     
  17. FranchiseBlade

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    Wrong. Your weak and craven appeasement is sad. Russia was vocal about opposing NATO expansion because it would make their aggressive military invasions more difficult. They've battled in Georgia, Chechnya, and Now Ukraine.
     
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  18. El_Conquistador

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    Flagged and reported
     
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  20. Agent94

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    Again with the blame the guy who's been in office for a year solely because he is on the other team. It's better to side with a dictator than the US president.
    It's not Putin's fault. He hasn't been at war with Ukraine for 7 years. He hasn't been planning the reunification of the soviet states for 20 years.
    It's Biden's fault for updating an agreement with Ukraine. The twisted logic to blame this on Biden is ridiculous.
     
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