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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. T_Man

    T_Man Contributing Member

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    MM,

    Were actually on the same page here.... This almost feels like the show "The EndGame" Putin has everyone focused on one thing when he's actually doing something else...

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  2. Buck Turgidson

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    Gamblers are taking the under.
     
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    They should do one where Taiwan, an independent country, is removed from Chinese territory.
     
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    What is something else. The end goal seems pretty clear for Putin. He never liked that a pro-Russian government was toppled back in 2014, and the new government is inching closer and closer to NATO and the US every year.

    He's going to take over and install a government that is pro-Russian so NATO won't have a chance at Ukraine. He obviously feels threatened that a country who is historically close to Russia has had such close ties with the West.

    I have listened to narratives out of Russia and China, the state narrative is that the US provoked Russia by supplying Ukraine with weapons and intel, therefore it is a security issue for Russia.

    The Neo-Nazi thing is hilariously bad excuse for a full scale invasion. I can't believe there are idiots that actually buy that.
     
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  7. Xopher

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    Although their views are abhorrent they have been fighting against enemies of Ukraine since their inception I don't agree with it, but the Ukranians need all the battle hardened fighters they can get. Deal with the sorry bastards after they try and help them win the war. The enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that.
     
  8. Xopher

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    Did Twitter and Facebook do this or did Russia do this to Twitter and Facebook? I believe it is the latter.
     
  9. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    We need a Deputinication for Russia.

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  10. Xopher

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    DD, but if Putin is taken out will this stop? I can forsee a struggle for power resulting in a mini Civil War. I fully agree Putin should be taken out though.
     
  11. daywalker02

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    I bought the de-militarization though.
     
  12. Ubiquitin

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    There are four outcomes: Russian Empire, Putin is overthrown a la Ukraine, Dissolution of Russia (East goes to Europe and West becomes Chinese), and nuclear holocaust.
     
  13. daywalker02

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    Out of a fiction novel......but yeah the EU wanted more land, there they go.
     
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  14. Xopher

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    Where does 5. Mini- Civil War in Russia fall in? Or are you including that in one of your scenarios?
     
  15. Deckard

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    Jesus. The bastards.
    Someone may have posted this, but haven't seen it:

     
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  16. HTM

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    Yea, I'm a big supporter of Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian people but I do not like or support how some of them are trying every means possible to get NATO to step in.

    They may think Ukraine is facing it's annihilations so everyone else should to but that's pretty jacked up IMO.

    It's shortsighted too. Even if you are able to get NATO and Russia into a shooting war. Ukraine is going to get really jacked up in that scenario anyways.

    If Ukraine is successful in provoking nuclear armageddon, nukes will likely fall on Ukraine too and that's a fate far worse then being a Russian vassal state.
     
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  17. Ubiquitin

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    That’s it splits in two.
     
  18. Ubiquitin

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    Aligns with* not annexed etc.
     
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  19. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Yes, I don't believe that the others are as smart, or able to control the narrative........the 2nd in charge is generally 2nd for a reason.

    DD
     
  20. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    I don't think we should make decisions based upon fear - we should be aware of them, and work towards not making that happen, but Putin is counting on that in his game plan. Right now, his military is weak, their resolve is weak, he is overextended, and his populace is tied to the benefits of Western society Iphones etc.

    He is weak, very weak, and pretending to be strong. We need to do everything to weaken him further.

    DD
     

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