because as usual common sense doesn't apply to folks like you on cf's, that typically post a bunch of nonsense
I agree with a lot here. I have come to love what Tate brings to the team. Too often people think we need an all star at every position. That is not how a good team works. You need guys that are willing to do the dirty work and be a minor piece to the overall puzzle. Great teams have superstars and great role players. Can Tate be a starter on a great team? Yes he can. He fills a much needed defensive role and provides enough of a threat on offense to make defenses honest. Is he going to be a guy that averages 20-8-8? NO, but he can be a guy that averages 14 6-6 with some steals and a block. That is a great teammate to have. He wont demand the ball and can get the dirty baskets that are so vital to a teams success. I think people undervalue a guy that can guard 1-4 with a good deal of success. That allows for the teams defense to do more and be dynamic. That is a legitimate value to any team that values defense. Pay him like a good role player and let him continue to develop. Do not build your team around his offense, but he can be a piece that you factor into your defensive identity, for sure.
Let's be honest...if this was the 2018 Rockets Tate would be coming off the bench and possibly would have already been traded by Morey for another key role player.
Lets be really honest, that constant roster shuffling and lack of development time for players is why we are in this current position. I am tired of seeing former young rockets doing good things for other teams.
wrong. the rockets are in this current position because they have the worst owner in the league who dismantled a title contender in less than 3 years. simple as that. you're tired of former young rockets doing good things?? huh, what former young rockets are taking the league by storm
Just off the top of my head, we have had guys in our camp or on the roster that went on to have good careers in the NBA. Where did I say they were taking the league by storm. Don't put words into my posts. Christina Wood Patrick Beverly Motrez Harell Robert Covington Isahiah Hartenstein Marcus Morris Ish Smith Clint Capella All of these players have had solid NBA careers. I mean they were all looked at as trade bait when they played for the rockets, except Wood, he was just released before the season started. These are players that I can remember that came and went during the Morey super trader years. You can blame the owner but the GM is the one making the deals and creating a culture where only the best player can feel somewhat safe. Because of the Morey years I hate the term asset now. I don't love ownership but they are not the only reason we are in this situation. I would just like to see us become an organization that develops talent and is not quick to pull the trigger on trades that are lateral or the player from the trade is gone in 2 years. Rewarding a guy like Tate sends a message to the players in the league that we value guys that contribute to a teams success. Which should translate that we are serious about being a successful organization.
There's only one player even noteworthy on that list CC and he was forced to be traded bc of the dumb decision made by Tilman to get westbrick in the first place. and RoCo is 2nd. and his best days are over. that list is absolutely nothing to be crying about. They had an all time great team without everyone on the list besides CC and Tilman chose to dismantle it. And as I said before, the rockets are what they are now because of the worst owner in the league. The rockets will continue to be bad because of this shitty FO and ownership. It's not getting better anytime soon Morey has been handcuffed since Tilman officially became owner. Anyone who doesn't know that, just doesn't pay attention. That's why everyone in the FO that mattered left his ass the first chance they got. You can hate the term asset all you want. not like it really mattters. That's the reality of the business and will be going forward. that will never change. And we know now how to do things the wrong way since this FO/ownership doesn't understand what assets are and continue to just fumble trade deadlines and moves. They're giving houston a real life look at how a shitty FO operates what are you rewarding tate for? Last I checked the rockets are still the worst team in the league. You reward guys for losing? well that's a strange way of saying you're serious about winning. Yeah it may send a message to guys. You'll over pay players since noone else will come. Case in point, guys like Theis and Nwaba who got paid to do next to nothing. Good message
You still think I am talking about all stars, which in my last post I said I was not. This conversation is about quality role players that help your team win. I honestly don't know who you are, but I now know your overall basketball IQ and reading comprehension level. Thanks!
quality role players is the least of the rockets worries. The rockets aren't winning anytime soon. you don't need to know who i am. nobody has a clue who you are You're out here worried about role players helping a team win when they don't even have an established foundation piece. Makes sense, lets do things completely backwards
To add to this post, we really suck at developing young talent and keeping them. We're hit-or-miss on training young talent. Then, if we train them well, we end up trading them at what we think is the peak value. I would not be surprised to see Tate get traded, even though he's my favorite player on the Rockets as well. We're all numb. That's definitely worth addressing as an organization. Aside from this, my favorite player is also Tate. The dude works hard, clearly puts his time in the gym. He's got that dog in him to never quit fighting, and when he finally starts understanding how to work smarter not harder, he will definitely become a scary asset. Unfortunately, that will probably come after he goes somewhere else, after he meets a training staff that will actually help him get to the next level.
A solid 3 with skills on both end, but without a decent shot and limited athletic ability his best role will be early sub from the bench.
Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity. . . . or If you think you are always the smartest person in the room, you are in the wrong room.
Tate is not perfect . He makes his fair share of “rookie”/ dumb mistakes . But , look at how the ball pops out of his hands . He is decisive and he is expanding his game as a result of us being an awful team , he’s getting an opportunity to try in harder situations because there isn’t anyone with any sort of gravity . he may ultimately turn into a role player ... but think about how good a superstar makes a solid role player look . If any of green / jc / kpj / sengun / our draft pick start becoming stars ... then Space will open up for Tate . He increases our pace . he needs to get better . I believe he will continue to improve . If we can ever be good on defense we can get to transition where Tate is really good . He’s also good coming with speed around the elbow and in space . another huge plus .. have you seen him close out on D ? He knows how to contest shots way more effectively than anyone else. How many assists has he given to matthews? We should do that with green in the midrange . Defenses will give it to us and jalen might just get some rhythm going Tate cutting and sengun with the ball ? And opening will be created somewhere . the main thing is playing together and moving with a pace and decisively . Naturally the rookies need to adjust . Tate is a second year player . He is not quite there . But I see him growing . His fit with kpj and green will have him at the 3 and that’s a bit small . Maybe green grows. Maybe kpj or Tate move to the bench and josh Christopher gets a starting role . I hope we take a big frontcourt player . And go into the season with that as our developmental plan . he’s got some Shane battier and Boris diaw in him too . Maybe I’ll think of better comparisons as time goes on . Hard to tell how he will he used offensively when he’s not guarding the other teams center and thus isn’t furthest back on the break .
I am hopeful that the development of Green and Co will be done with patience. In basketball and life progress is not a steady line, its pretty jagged. I just hope that their is enough patience to build a team that we can just add small pieces to. The best rebuilds are patient and allow for some bumps in the road. Often we forget that being an overnight success take years to accomplish.
Like Tate a lot, but would trade him to move Nets pick into top 8 if possible. Tate would be great role player on championship contending team honestly. Silas system requires him to do too much offensively which is watering down his ability to be a stud switch defender.
I had to stop reading halfway through and then I saw your post talking about Chauncey Billups and had to see why. I almost spit out my drink. For some reason, Chauncy gets disrespected a lot.
Tate is the FOUR of our future small ball lineup. But off the bench when we turn the corner and become a playoff team in the future
