Victoria Secret: first model with Down Syndrome

The issue you're going to have is that international companies can't be too concerned by a part of America that is trying to win a culture war that other countries aren't participating in.

This is why Disney keeps releasing 'woke' movies. They are playing to a global audience not just to people from Texas or Alabama or New York.

 

why brehs always trying to complicate things? get back to hot normal bebes with pillow boobs and secksy butt.

 

Eternals did poorly because it was a bad movie.

Spider-man? You mean the series that race swapped several characters? Then there was the Miles Morales game featuring race swapped Spider-man and BLM politics in their game and was one of the best selling games last year.

Global corporations are thinking about a global audience, not your culture war. That's why they ignore it. That's why Mandalorian can continue to succeed despite the culture warriors trying to cancel it because Disney fired famed Culture Warrior Gina Carano, that's why they keep putting stuff out there like this because they seriously don't care that much about it. That's why despite the culture warriors trying to go after stuff like Captain Marvel , Disney doubles down, and soon we'll get lady thor and female avengers...Disney really isn't that concerned about what culture warriors in Texas thinks about its global plan.

At the end of the day if you don't like the direction a company is going in or dislike something about the companies values...don't support them and move on.

VS changed how they advertised years ago, instead focusing on actually trying to sell their stuff to...you know...women? Women aren't as concerned about how fappable the models are. Women are more concerned about how the stuff looks and how it feels.

The funny thing is these companies rely on your culture warriors to do just this. Advertise for their company. I'm sure they knew this would be controversial and as such would have more people saying "Victoria Secret" and thus increase recognition and keep the brand relevant.

No different than when Addidas was posting topless pictures of women advertising their bras. It trended on twitter. Mission accomplished.

 

In San Antonio they are just ask the women there

 

What's wrong with someone using sign language? Are you implying that having to use sign language and being deaf means you can't accomplish things or something? I'm not sure why this matters at all.

Every single movie that is based on something makes changes. Just the nature of movies. There's probably a handful of movies that are 100% mirroring their source materials any ways, why does this change matter?

Ok...but VS also used Tyra Banks and all of its models for the same reason. To make money.

I really don't see why it matters that VS shifted its marketing focus towards...you know...women? The people that actually wear their stuff?

If you want to fap just fap to pornstars bro, that's what they are there for. Only boomers are fapping to VS catalouges like the internet and p*rn don't exist...

 

Daredevil was written to be a handicapped superhero too.

I don't see how using sign language makes someone less of a super human. You're telling me if I have super speed and strength but also deaf that I'm less of a super human?

I mean are we also having an issue with Echo? Who is a deaf native american superhero? We're going to have a thread on Daredevil and Echo too?

I just don't get being triggered because I guess there are now 2 deaf superheroes out of 1000. Shame on some deaf child that might appreciate being represented in media. Shame on him!

 

So? Why is that a bad thing? Again, you're getting mad that there is a deaf superhero vs the thousand of heroes that are not deaf.

It's more like her power is related to speed and she broke the sound barrier so doesn't experience sound the same way as humans do...but go on.

I think this is because nowadays plenty of women are independent and thus don't rely on husbands or boyfriends to buy them stuff, so now VS wants to focus marketing mainly on them. Not men. Before it was marketing to men "Look how sexy women look while wearing our stuff!" and now it's marketing directly to women because women nowadays have their own income source around the world.

 

You simply don't get it I think.

Again. Movies always change stuff from their source, this has ALWAYS been the case. Superheroes change...I mean you talk about spider-man, bro, you know how much spider-man has changed over the years? Probably more than any other superhero lol. All these heroes have had multiple iterations and versions of themselves, so what?

Marvel's reason for making her deaf is because they thought it made more sense for her character and powers. In fact, if you visit any marvel forum, most fans agree that it improved her character or that it generally made sense that she would experience sound differently.

Marvel's reasons for making her a female POC, yes, could be for representation and diversity...so what? It's a fictional story about superbeings, not based on a real person, comparing it to a real person is silly.

I get sick and tired of hearing about how companies are forcing diversity down throats acting like companies weren't forcing everyone to be white in media in the 50s and until recently actually. When they initially made Eternals they were all white...so apparently that's cool? What does it say that a God makes superbeings and then only makes them white? You talk about Joe Rogan and he actually agrees with this 'woke' take. That representation in media matters.

You go on and on about how much you hate China and yet here you are whining about diversity in media like you want us to be more like Chinese media. Imagine that.

 

Down Syndrome typically causes a mild impairment mentally. Some with Down can have an IQ as low as 30 and some with Mosaic Down Syndrome can have an IQ approaching 70-75.

An IQ around 70 is high enough for someone to function and live in society. They understand most things, just not with the depth that most other people do. They can work, can in some cases drive, read and do many things. They just lack as much depth and are not typically intellectually curious. They can consent to sex and have and raise a family. About 5%-10% of the population is in this spectrum, you are around some people like this and don't realize it.

It is hard to quantify an age, but most give an IQ of 50-70 as someone that is mentally the age of a 10 year old. As long as they are in a supporting environment and treated well they can be successful. There are some peculiar traits, many enjoy cartoons and playing and can get lonely sometimes because they feel difficulty communicating with depth with people their own age. They also are aware that they are not as smart.

Below is an example.

Ruairi Mackenzie (RM): What is the biggest misconception you think society has about people who have Down syndrome?

Julia Kinder (JK): The biggest misconceptions are that people with Down syndrome cannot learn or understand, and that they have low intelligence. I.Q. scores for people with Down syndrome vary, with the average cognitive delays being mild to moderate, not severe. In fact, normal intelligence is possible.

If a person with Down syndrome has difficulty with hearing, it can be misinterpreted as a problem with understanding. Likewise, problems with speech can be mistaken for low cognitive abilities. People with Down syndrome often have trouble with the physical ability to produce speech due to low muscle tone. This can result in speech which is hard to understand, and tongue protrusion. This barrier to speech clarity is not a reflection of intelligence, but rather a reflection of difficulty with muscle control.

Remember, I.Q. tests and scores are controversial and flawed, and are not good indicators of a successful and fulfilling life.

 

There is a lot of ignorance in the world as a whole concerning Down syndrome.

 

It isn't just about people with Down Syndrome not getting employment opportunities. The general public does not understand Down Syndrome or what someone with the disorder is capable of. Many people with it are capable of going to school, dating and having a relatively normal life.

Does it matter why they are doing it? They are changing their business model to be more inline with what society is moving towards. I don't care what their motivation is, it is bringing more attention to groups of people that society has marginalized and it is a good thing. I used to roll my eyes at all of these actions by businesses, but I am old enough to see a difference in how marginalized groups are treated. Over the last 20 years I have seen far more compassion and understanding for people and less exclusion because of their race, sex or orientation and that is a good thing.

 

Very true. I grew up with a cousin who had DS. He was one of the most loving people I've ever met. He was smart and loved the Oilers and the Astros. He had a memory for stats that was amazing. He loved his job sacking groceries and lived semi-independently his entire adult life. Everyone is different but they all deserve our respect and understanding.

 

Except large segments of the world are involved in a cultural war and are digging deeper into it. In Europe they are also in the middle of a cultural war, nor to the extent of the USA but they are and the rest of the world is being influenced by the USA in this regard. While it is true China remains a largely festering sore of intolerance and greed, we are even seeing sizable minorities in Russia and South America confronting these topics..... also a cultural war is nothing new, we go through one ever 50 years.