Great news MManual. If we can keep Taylor and Norris I'm all for it. Phsical state has to do a lot with the decsion. Robinson provides that veteran leadership without a history of nagging injuries. And the fact that he will be 36, 37, and 38 the 3 years with the Rockets beats signing an older hakeem with nagging injuries. And his stats of 14.4 points and 8.5 rebounds would be great in addition to the Rockets lineup. ------------------
I am not in the same league as NIKE or aelliot, but relatively sure this is correct. The Rockets are over the cap until one of the following occurs: 1) The Rockets renounce Dreams contract (making re-signing him a near impossibility). OR 2) The Rockets re-sign Dream to a new contract. The new contract is then used in the cap totals and his old $16m salary is discarded. If either of these occur, then the Rockets can receive more salary $ (up to the cap) than they send out. I think Cato's BYC status is also removed when the Rocks go under the cap. Not 100% sure though. ------------------ Raef to Rocks in '01-'02! [This message has been edited by GATER (edited July 08, 2001).]
Oh ok I see know...I think you meant to post in this one akavince http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum3/HTML/013776.html
I've been thinking...and this is the direction that I think the Rockets should go in if they wanna contend for a LONG time: Houston trades: Walt Williams $4,500,000 to Vancouver Houston trades: Kelvin Cato $5,400,000 to Vancouver (BYC Value $2,700,000) Houston trades: Matt Bullard $1,481,481 to Vancouver Houston trades: Kenny Thomas $885,120 to Vancouver Houston trades: Jason Collier $1,190,760 to Vancouver TOTAL: $13,457,361 Vancouver trades: Future First Round Pick $0 to Houston Vancouver trades: Kevin Edwards $548,500 to Houston Vancouver trades: Grant Long $2,200,000 to Houston Vancouver trades: Isaac Austin $5,257,583 to Houston Vancouver trades: Cash Considerations of $3,000,000 to Houston TOTAL: $8,006,083 This trade was accepted on Real GM...This would improve Vancouver's team, get rid of our SF glut, and Grant Long and Ike Austin are both Free agents next year. The beauty of this is the following: We save cap space, specifically 5.4 million worth of it. Vancouver honestly come off with players MUCH better than they traded. The only contract WE keep is Edwards for an extra year after the other two FAs. No frontcourt you say? With the 13 million we had, plus the 5.4 million that we make, we offer something like 6 million to MO, 5 million peryear to Nazr Mohammed, and a TWO year DECLINING contract to Dream. Something like 5 million this year, and 4 million next year. So we'd look like this: C - Hakeem/Nazr (18 minutes)/Austin PF - Mo-T/Nazr (14 minutes)/T-MO SF - Griffin/Langhi/T-MO SG - Mobley/Norris/T-MO PG - Francis/Norris IR - Colson and Grant Long One problem: Shandon has to be gone, unfortunately. But we end up with a great team. When Austin leaves the following year Nazr will get a lot more minutes, and we'll have cap releif from Hakeem's declining contract and Free Agents Grant Long and Ike Austin. THEN, NEXT year, we sign a back up C, or we draft one. Don't tell me the trade is lopesided, coz Vancouver come out younger and better. ------------------
I don't see Kevin Edwards on the Mem. Grizzlies website as a current player. Is he still under contract? Also, I think Memphis would rather have the cap space from their vets retiring than give it up for Cato. Otherwise, I would do that trade too. ------------------
Hakeem was not dominated by Shaq in that series. He was dominated by the refs. Every time he would get in a groove, the refs would call a stupid touch foul. He was limited to about 22 minutes per game. Shaq got most of his points against Antoine Carr. Hakeem would have been great in that series if he had been allowed to play. ------------------ Protrolls.com! "I want to be like Olajon." -Sagana Diop has the right idea... Keep the ???? alive!
ZRB -- Actually Hakeem looked great in the first game. After that, Rudy for some reason refused to double Shaq, thus letting him have a field day on Hakeem. I am still puzzled as to why this happened. It was Rudy who embarassed Hakeem in that series, not Shaq. LA didn't even have Rice in that Game 4! And Bryant wasn't near as good then as he is now.
I do not see the point of comparing these two. LaFrentz is obviously the superior player, and it would be cheaper to acquire him than to acquire Nazr. ------------------ Don't ask, I lost a bet.
The refs constantly called ticky tack fouls on Dream in that series. Why Rudy didn't double team Shaq I will never know. He played Dream straight up on Shaq, and when Dream got into foul trouble, instead of doubling Shaq, he played Sir Charles straight up on Shaq. Just mind-boggling situations. At first I would say that David Robinson at this stage is better then Dream is right now, but when Dream is motivated he's still pretty good, so I don't know. Either way I wouldn't pay Dream 10 million dollars because 1.)would he still be as motivated and 2.)injuries are a big problem with him and 3.)How much does he have left. That's one advantage Robinson has over Dream, he has more left in the tank. ------------------ "Instruments are like women: After a while, you want to make love to another." - Nicolas Godin of the musical duo Air
??? How is LaFrentz superior? Mohammed is clearly the better rebounder and the both shoot the same f/g% while LaFrentz is the better shot blocker. Nazr and Raef are almost the exact same size. And how would Raef be cheaper than Nazr? Are you speaking strictly money or are you including what we would have to give up in order to get Raef? I don't think for a second that Denver takes Cato. What would Denver want? Personally I would take either player and LaFrentz would be my favorite if we could dump Cato but as I said I just don't think that is a deal Denver would do. Nazr would give us similar production and we would not have to sacrafice draft picks to get him. I still prefer Nazr. ------------------
Lafrentz is better than Nazr b/c Lafrentz has an outside shot and can block shots. Sure Nazr's a better rebounder, but I'd rather have a shotblocker over a rebounder at center. We won't get LaFrentz, so this comparison really doesn't matter. ------------------ This post contains no smilies, you must judge my seriousness on your own... Have no fear kiddies, the name's changed, but the Mobster is still the same...
Nazr is not clearly better at anything over Raef. Nazr played 15 minutes a game in the weak Eastern conference on a bad team. Yeah he put up some good numbers in those minutes, but that doesnt mean he is going to keep up that pace as a starter in the western conference. Mikki Moore put up numbers like that last year and you don't see people beating down Detroit's door to get him. Nazr is a good backup center and may be a good starting center in the future, but right now he is not in Raef's class. ------------------ .,.·^*'´'|'\..........,.·^*'´¯¯¯'`*^·,...,/|'`*^·-, '|.......'|::\......,·'.....,.·:*:·,......'`i:'|.......| '|.......'|:::|.....;.......':,:::,:·.......';:|.......| '|.......|::;i - ·;i'`:,......¯¯.......,·´|::|.......| '|.......'´.......'|'i:::`*:~·.–·~^*'´: :'|::|.......'`*·-, '|........,.-:^:':'\:'`:;:: :: : : : :: ::;·'i::/`':^·.,......`'i '|..,.:'´:::::::::::'\| '`*^~·:–:·~^*'´..'|/:::::::::'`:^:., | '´:;:::::::::;:-·^*'´.....................`'*^·:;-.....:;·' ....`·;:·'´........................................'`^·:;·´
Since I've never taken the time to figure out how this works, can someone fill me in. Since Houston will be way under the cap, salaries do not have to match. Does this mean that we can absorb salary from another team so that they don't have to match salaries exactly. With us involved in a trade like this (for future reference) would the other team have to match or would they get some type of exception. Here you go Nike, Aelliot, or Crispee. Oops, nevermind Crispee. I forgot you were a newbie. ------------------
LaFrenz may be available. From todays ESPN Insider: Monday, July 9 Updated 8:26 AM EST Derek Anderson has excelled as a Spur, but will he stick around in the future? As the standoff in San Antonio reaches it's second week, free-agent guard Derek Anderson has had enough. A league source told ESPN Insider over the weekend that Anderson will contact several teams, including the Bulls, SuperSonics and Nuggets, in an attempt to find an alternative home should things continue to go poorly (or too slowly) with the Spurs. According to the source, Anderson remains disappointed that the Spurs have not begun negotiations with him. Free-agent David Robinson threw a major wrench into the process when he unexpectedly asked for much more money than the $7.5 million offer the Spurs gave him. Robinson's agent, Jeff Austin, told the San Antonio Express News Sunday night that he would begin negotiating with the Spurs this week. Austin spent the end of last week talking to the Pistons, Mavericks and Magic about possible deals for the Admiral. However, according to another league source, there is very little interest in Robinson right now, given the luxury tax. Most of Austin's statements and moves are viewed as little more than posturing by Spurs management. "When you're dealing with stuff like this, things usually don't get really going until you approach a deadline," Spurs coach Greg Popovich said. Anderson is of much more interest around the league, however. And he may no longer be willing to wait until the deadline to start negotiating. Anderson waited too long last season and ended up having to settle for the mid-level exception. He won't let that happen again. The Bulls and Sonics could get far enough under the cap to sign Anderson straight out. The Nuggets would need some help, but have the ability to get it done if they were to toss Raef LaFrenz and change into the picture. It's possible that Spurs are deciding to go a different route all together. They've contacted Chris Webber and feel like they're in the game, and they've also been quietly pursuing Hornets' free-agent Eddie Robinson. ------------------
I don't believe that Robinson will sign anywhere but the Spurs. If he did, I think Duncan would have to hunt him down and kill him for talking him into resigning with the Spurs and then jetting. I just don't think that he's that kind of person. That being said, we don't need David on our team. ------------------
I would prefer Naz, he's younger and will develop chemistry with Steve, Cuttino, and Eddie. We will not win the championship with or without Dream. As a result, I say we build for the future and chemistry, which is what the Rockets did to win two titles. Kenny, Vernon, Robert, Bullard, Dream, Sam, and Mario had some heartbreaking losses to Seattle and others before turning the corner to win titles. Nazr, realizes that he is a center and I think he would enjoy playing the 5 spot. I think Raef is soft and injury prone. Plus Nazr is younger and with the Houston summer leagues he can get better. ------------------
Wow crash, I can't believe you coped Edge's post! I would go after Nazr, he would appear to be easier to acquire then LaFrentz. ------------------ "Instruments are like women: After a while, you want to make love to another." - Nicolas Godin of the musical duo Air [This message has been edited by RocksMillenium (edited July 09, 2001).]
I am so ashamed Edge must be one lazy dude to not even want to change the wording around just a little to at least make it look origanal. ------------------
Yeah, you're right Nazr is younger than Raef, Raef turned 25 last May, while Nazr's turning 24 this September. I see what you mean, there's no way an old fossil like Raef Lafrentz can handle playing with Steve, Cuttino, and Eddie. You know Cuttino's turning 27 in september, maybe we should think about trading him? He is getting kind of old ya know... Please explain to me why Nazr will have a better chance at developing chemistry with Eddie, Steve, and Cuttino than Raef. ------------------ This post contains no smilies, you must judge my seriousness on your own... 361 days until the Band Geek Mobster is unleashed once again...unless I have more posts with this name of course... [This message has been edited by Pete Rose Mobster (edited July 09, 2001).]
