I really didn’t intend any offense with the Mobley example, was just on my mind as a really great rookie. I honestly don’t remember if you’re even a fan of his or not.
Comparing Mobley to Dream already? That is crazy high praise. But very premature. Really need to stop with all these ridiculous comparisons.
The most common thing of every NBA player, 90% of all NBA players are work horses. And to gloss over work ethic as Green has all the work ethic, and every other player has less, that is some strong BS as well. That was actually more infuriating than the Mobley mention. He will be great because he works hard on his game.....that is the most basic, generic statement. I am not a fan of any particular player, for the 100th time, I am too old for this. If he turns out to be a great player, that is good for the Rockets but I sure won't roll over and make it easy on him.
Good point. Cade is a better overall player. Never was arguing that. If we're being completely honest here, none of the rookies in this draft class are having truly outstanding rookie seasons. They are having good seasons for a rookie in the NBA. There is a tremendous amount of hyperbole being thrown around. Fact is, none of the top picks are having all-star caliber seasons. They have all had some eye-catching performances, but there is nothing that suggests any of these guys are sure-fire future hall of fame players. This draft has a lot of potential stars in it. Looking at past rookie of the year award winners, I see a few hall of famers and a bunch of guys with okay careers, and then some that kind of fizzled out along the way. You have to give this some years to see how this plays out, but we want to speak in absolutes about guys as early as 20 games into their rookie seasons. https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/roy.html He'd also average more assists. He's not a point guard though. Just a quick glance tells me that Devin Booker and Anthony Edwards's assists to turnovers were barely above 1:1 too. Cade is a lockdown defender now? He is ok. Green is clearly improving on that end. I don't know why some of you fail to acknowledge that. Cade will probably always be a superior all-around player. People were talking about offensive stats so I pulled them. Green is super raw and Cade is supposed to be very polished. I think that shows Green has a lot of growth potential considering he has no average let alone above average NBA level skill. He is doing all of this by being fast and being able to jump high.
Because it's the same as saying water is wet. Everyone and their goldfish know Green is bad at D. Anyone with half a brain also knows his lack of NBA body is a big part of that. Why keep harping on the same thing knowing it will take time?
Who knows I guess. At the moment I project him out to be - in his prime - an All NBA player, but not an All Time player like Hakeem. I give special distinction to players who have won titles without a real sidekick, roughly two max slots. People like Dirk, Kobe, Hakeem, Lebron, MJ are worth $50m+. I think Mobley is closer to $30m+ but it's so early, it's not a fair assessment.
Because they regurgitate the same stuff. Completely ignoring the massive improvements he has made on that end even with his current frame. The weight thing was never going to be solved during the season. Anyone with half a brain knew that it would take an offseason to see any tangible improvements in strength and realistically it will take a couple of offseasons to get to a good nba strength level. Though I think we will see a noticeable difference next year
I have no idea what you mean boy band worshipper or infantz to men. Ok I guess. I think you're overreacting, I didn't mean anything about you by using Mobley as the example. Was just a convenient example.
He blew by Devin Booker on multiple occasions, I don't think any NBA player can guard that first step burst.
As far as size is concerned, Ja Morant is 6'3, 174 (at 22.5). Green is 6'4, 186 (just turned 20). Morant is in MVP talk in year 3. I'm not concerned about size at all.
Ja has WAY more game than Green....WAY WAY WAY WAY more game. And I do think Green is improving, but he looks to me like a "Beta" player, not someone that will be the lead dog, but a very good Robin to someone else's Batman. DD
Blowing by consistently is not just about quickness it's about handles. If he had a real crossover move combined with his quickness then he would be unguardable. Jalen is not someone right now that can blow by defenders at will. I've seen it happen where he tries to drive and then gets stopped and has to pass out.
Jalen has a busy weekend ahead of him. Back to back to back games including the rookie game. Then the dunk contest.
I was glancing over that previous rookie of the year list again just now. Did anybody else know that Kevin Durant shot 45.5% on 2 point attempts, 28.8% on 3-pointers had a 51.9% True Shooting Percentage his rookie season? Jalen Green is 45.9% on 2 point attempts and 30% on 3-pointers with a 51.1% True Shooting Percentage. He needs to shoot fewer threes and more twos. It would do wonders for his overall percentages. Why bring this up? Jalen Green is nowhere near Kevin Durant as a scorer and never will be! Well, Kevin Durant in his rookie season was nowhere near the KD we know today that became one of the most deadly and uber-efficient scorers of all time. His rookie year was disappointing considering what the expectations were after what he did at the University of Texas. He needed to adjust to the NBA game and get physically stronger. JG doesn't have the length to be a KD-level player at the end of the day, but that's not what the point is. The point is to give the man a chance to get stronger and adjust to the NBA game. At least give him his rookie season to make mistakes and learn before making the determination that he won't be good. I honestly think you have to give guys his age 2 seasons, but I understand the patience waning and confidence wavering after one. I understand that. So many people have posted time and time again showing the improvements star players have made from their rookie seasons to their prime years, but still Jalen Green doesn't get a break from some of you. He was already being vilified under 20 games in. That line of thinking and overreacting I just don't understand at all.
I was strictly referring to a size comparison. However, if this is about Ja having WAY more game, then yes, it's a lot easier to have WAY more game if you have WAY more game to play in: Ja Morant 21-22: 79.6 touches, 7.7 min, 26.8 pts per game 20-21: 72.3 touches, 6.8 min, 19.1 pts per game 19-20: 76.0 touches, 6.8 min, 17.8 pts per game Jalen Green 21-22: 43.7 touches, 2.8 min, 14.4 pts per game What else would you expect? Still, impressive, considering. I remind you, I'm a person who desperately wanted Mobley, BUT I'm doing whatever I can to convince myself we made the right decision. I like Jalen as a person WAY WAY WAY WAY more than Mobley Appendix Kevin Porter Jr 21-22: 69.0 touches, 5.9 min, 13.7 pts per game 20-21: 74.4 touches, 5.9 min, 16.6 pts per game
KD averaged 20 PPG so he took more shots than Jalen which impacts efficiency. If Jalen took 17 shots a game I don’t think his efficiency would stay the same
[ Because like most NBA fans, people don't pay as much attention in general other than who's guarding the ballhandler - you obviously don't - and it's very difficult to evaluate empirically after the fact, particularly for players on bad teams
