Whoopi Goldberg (Caryn Johnson) makes bad Holocaust statement, makes worse apology

Not twisting in bad faith at all. The whole thing with Joe Rogan right now - the whole controversy is regarding 2 of his guests, most notably Dr Malone. So I am honestly shocked that you aren't aware of it - and Joe Rogan was vehemently defending Dr Malone's "credentials"

So yeah, it appeared that is what you were referring to when you made your post - but if it's not, then I simply misunderstood what you were referencing. A puzzling coincidence I suppose.

 

"Blind spot" is code for freaking moron. She has been part of cancel culture for a long time so it's time for her to reap what she has sowed.

 

LMFAO

 

I'm not a fan of Whoopi Goldberg and don't particularly care for her either way. A celebrity saying something stupid or not well thought out doesn't seem like something that should be considered very important given all the other things we're facing.

To tie this back to an issue that I think is important, Whoopi has the right to say something stupid and ABC is well within their rights to fire her from The View. There is no "censorship" or "suppression of free speech" and I hope that those who might tend to ideologically agree with Whoopi Goldberg or are just fans don't make this out to be that way.

 

I have a different opinion.

She stated an opinion. She's being punished for that opinion. That's a type of censorship (censoring what ABC feels is objectionable). ABC absolutely has the right to do that as a private entity. Individuals, groups, or any private entities calling for firing or whatever punishment is both a type of "distance" censorship (asking/pressuring another entity to censor) and an expression of their own speech protected by the 1st Amendment. The government doing any of that is both censorships and is unconstitutional. The government disallows ABC or anyone private entity from "censoring" or expressing is government censorship and is unconstitutional.

If she has stated something factually wrong (not an opinion), then that would not be censorship. It would be punishment for being factually wrong instead of being "offensive" and I don't consider that censorship.

Everyone has a right to their opinion, but not their own facts. Factually wrong statements have no value to society while opinion, however distasteful (as judged by a snapshot in time), may have a value.

 

No one except maybe a handful of people here confuse Whoopi for a Rocket Surgeon.

 

I'm not sure I follow. You're saying that ABC is censoring Whoopi Goldberg, ABC has the right to do so as a private entity but then your line says that the government disallows ABC from "censoring" and is unconstitutional? Are you saying that what ABC is doing is unconstitutional?

I will restate my own point. What ABC is doing isn't unconstitutional and as a private entity they are not bound by the Constitutional First Amendment regarding speech. As I've said in most of these discussions I think it muddles the issue to say that a private entity removing someone from their platform is a violation of free speech. The platform has a right to free speech and as the property of the private entity employees or others on the platform speech reflects on them. In this case as an employee of ABC Whoopi's actions very much reflect on them and if they don't agree they have a right to let her go or suspend her.

This doesn't mean Whoopi Goldberg is silenced. She can still say whatever she wants just not on ABC's platform. Any other media is free to hire her and allow her to express herself on their platform. If this was the FCC stepping in and telling ABC that they have to get rid of Whoopi GOldberg or else their broadcast license will be lifted that is a different matter. I don't see any government pressure to do anything about Whoopi Goldberg.

Whether she is factually right or wrong to me is tangential. I don't think The View counts as a news service but if it does a factually wrong statement should be corrected by the editors under journalistic integrity. As the The View is a talk show and Whoopi Goldberg isn't a journalist and as a private individual she is free to say what she wants even if it is factually wrong. The issue though is does ABC also have a right to give her a platform or not to say whatever she wants to say.

To me again this is a matter of how do we navigate through the rights of all parties. Whoopi Goldberg has free speech rights but so does ABC and ABC also has property rights. This is why this expansive view of "censorship" in my opinion is dangerous. It is requires believing that some people's free speech rights are more important than others and more important than other's property rights.

 

I'm not outraged that the Rockets aren't on National TV. I'm outraged that the Rockets suckkkk

 

T_Man

 

Is this why you are the most frequent poster here?

 

Yes, I'm saying ABC is censoring her and has the right to do so - it is constitutional. That if the gov was doing this, it would be unconstitutional.

What she said is not factually right or wrong, but an opinion.

I make a distinction between opinion and facts. I think censorship only happens when dealing with opinions, arts, and subjective stuffs.

The whole idea of free speech isn't just for the sake of free speech. Most of us believe that a free society should have a free exchange of ideas (however offensive) because we believe that is a value to society and suppression is harmful to society. On this first principle, what is the value to allow straight-out lies to propagate at the speed of light to a massive audience? I see no value but much harm. Thus, I think we need to revisit the limit on gov power and allow gov a bit more power to crack down on clear factually wrong information that is judged to be harmful. To be clear, this has nothing to do with Goldberg case here but my general thoughts.

 

So you don't actually have a great sample of people you are basing these claims on, the people who would gravitate to military service and then the marines.

Do you not understand how that is a distinct group of people and nowhere near random conservatives or Republicans?

Thanks for making my point for me, stop othering a huge segment of the U.S. just because you knew some meatheads in the military.

No that rhetoric does not align with the majority of the right wing, what metrics are you using to make that statement?