Well if we got 108 pages out of 40 games, give it another 300 pages before Green will probably develop into something
Theis very likely not signed if Mobley drafted by Rockets because Mobley would have been the defensive anchor instead of Theis. Kelly Olynyk likely retained instead to backup Wood. And if Green can average about 30 minutes for Rockets, so would Mobley. 2nd overall pick gets benefit of doubt especially on a very vertically challenged Rockets team. Mobley would have improved defense (rim protection, perimeter iso & switching), rebounding, turnovers and overall IQ immediately. This is patently obvious from any non biased basketball fan.
Then they lost 6 out of 8 before he came back - that is not happenstance..... This team is ...brace yourself .... Not very good.
Mobley wouldnt have been all safe and cozy here. He would have been asked to DRIVE the change, and he's not that type of player. This organization took a shot on a guy who can change the direction of the franchise, yet guys like you cant seem to show even a smidgen of patience and need to feel vindicated right now and would have applauded Mobley because he was "your guy" even if he would have looked like crap. Stone took a shot on a player who can be the face of this franchise when he has grown into the role. You could very well be looking at the extent of what Mobley will be. 3rd option on a good team. You are making it seem as if Mobley is driving that cart in CLE and that is simply not the case. So the winning streak was solely about Jalen Green out of the lineup? LOL ... see thats the heart of the problem. You guys would rather blame Jalen Green for the rest of the issues with the team because its the easy cop out. Go ahead and give Silas a pass, and the rest of the team for playing like garbage in their own right, but lay the blame at the feet of the rookie! This team was flawed in many different ways. Anyone expecting contention or more was simply living in a fantasy. Guess what? Next year could very well be similar - will we just conveniently blame Jalen Green then too or will it be the player we pick in this years draft if he isnt your #1 choice? Again your iteration of fandom is the path of least resistance or maybe better stated if Stone just listened to DaDakota and the Mobley Mob this team would be in better shape yeah? For a guy so patient with Scooter you dont seem to harbor the very same need for patience with Jalen - thats interesting, but its just basic psychology and the pleasure principles people nowadays live by. In a couple of years all you will need to say is "Glad I was wrong" "Rocket fan first" or whatever contrived excuse to slink away and hope nobody remembers your 1st year posts. Nice gig! Some of us will be here to ride the roller coaster and will be able to relish in the finished product even more.
I see this "7 wins in a row" used so freely completely discounting the fact that 5 out of the 7 were garbage teams and Green also came out on fire in 1 of the 7 (Bulls). I do think that Green being out was the 3rd most important thing to that 7 game winning streak though. But, level of competition and removing Theis from the starting lineup helped that 7 game winning streak more than Green being out. I do think some posters want Green to succeed, but their posts are just bitter and angry. It's clear as day. As a big supporter of Green, Green hasn't made this team better yet, imo. Although, Green wasn't ready to make the team that drafted him better, imo. If some people are still bitter because some posters were making Green seem "NBA ready" before the draft, then get over it. That was clearly wrong, but he wasn't picked 2nd because he was NBA ready (again, imo). Green has enormous upside and is an offseason or three away from directly contributing to wins. I am hoping we spend more time focusing on developing him post trade deadline though. It would be foolish for us to not make developing Green & Sengun the #1 priority post deadline.
you’re confusing things. I read and heard on podcasts what you’re alluding to: Rockets F.O. saw transformational Kobe/MJ potential and went for it over what was perceived as a superb second-banana Pau/Bosh potential in Mobley. That part checks out. But that doesn’t mean that if Mobley was drafted instead, the Rockets would be expecting him to play the Kobe/MJ alpha-dog role. That doesn’t make any sense. He would have been drafted to play the role that he plays in Cleveland: versatility, defense, general competence.
Yes, "not very good " is correct. Without Green this team has something like -1 rating per 100 pos. What you’re seemingly unable to comprehend is that with Green we are at -18 per 100. So we go from "not very good" to "horrible".
C'mon man, no one - absolutely nobody - has tasked Green to DRIVE THE CHANGE. What does that even entail anyway? As for franchise altering play - Mobley is much closer to KG than Green is to Kobe. Right now for sure and possibly EVER.
This poster here in particular is bitter that we lost to our arch-nemesis after being up 6 when Green reentered the game in the 4th qtr. And that's two days after beating another arch-nemesis by keeping Green out in the 4th qtr .. I get the long-game, potential, athletic talent etc. thesis... but this kid is losing us games and that's unpleasant, and it's making him unpopular with true Rockets fans as opposed to JGOFs
As far as I can tell, all they've asked from Jalen Green is for him to stop being the worst player on the team and he's struggled to do that.
That's a horrible thought! If the Jalen Green, like Wiggins experience, kinda finally comes ... on the Golden State Warriors. .. Let's just say that he'll be even less appreciated by some.
We'll see. As of right now, 19 year old Jalen Green looks considerably worse than 19 year old Andrew Wiggins....he'd have to improve to just be that disappointing.
Wiggins had a promising 1st year but never improved much until he moved to the Warriors. If anything his offense regressed.
Agree. Even Kevin Love doesnt want to compare Mobley to Bosh when JJ Reddick brings him up in vid above because he believes Mobley will be better. Love actually compares Mobley to KG, who Love knows very well.
I was very excited about the pick because of all the "stories." But frankly I have been sorely disappointed. The NBA is professional basketball, and Green looks like a church league player with no fundamentals. It is like he has never been coached. He is really not very good at basketball and tries to compensate with what appears to be a "spastic" version of athleticism. Seems like a nice kid, but I am not optimistic at this point.
