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Rumsfeld Orders Iraqi Held Without Record & Then Forgets He Was There!!

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  1. glynch

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    Rummy, himself , in perhaps a "senior moment" orders an Iraqi detained secretly of the books as he is a suspected top level terrorist. They then forget to interview him except once in 7 months. Then they lose track of this nameless guy. This is getting to be a sort of Hogan's Hero's meets the Gulag situation. Bless their hearts!!
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    Rumsfeld Issued an Order to Hide Detainee in Iraq
    By ERIC SCHMITT and THOM SHANKER

    Published: June 17, 2004


    ASHINGTON, June 16 - Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, acting at the request of George J. Tenet, the director of central intelligence, ordered military officials in Iraq last November to hold a man suspected of being a senior Iraqi terrorist at a high-level detention center there but not list him on the prison's rolls, senior Pentagon and intelligence officials said Wednesday.

    This prisoner and other "ghost detainees" were hidden largely to prevent the International Committee of the Red Cross from monitoring their treatment, and to avoid disclosing their location to an enemy, officials said.

    Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba, the Army officer who in February investigated abuses at the Abu Ghraib prison, criticized the practice of allowing ghost detainees there and at other detention centers as "deceptive, contrary to Army doctrine, and in violation of international law."

    This prisoner, who has not been named, is believed to be the first to have been kept off the books at the orders of Mr. Rumsfeld and Mr. Tenet. He was not held at Abu Ghraib, but at another prison, Camp Cropper, on the outskirts of Baghdad International Airport, officials said.

    Pentagon and intelligence officials said the decision to hold the detainee without registering him - at least initially - was in keeping with the administration's legal opinion about the status of those viewed as an active threat in wartime.

    Seven months later, however, the detainee - a reputed senior officer of Ansar al-Islam, a group the United States has linked to Al Qaeda and blames for some attacks in Iraq - is still languishing at the prison but has only been questioned once while in detention, in what government officials acknowledged was an extraordinary lapse.

    "Once he was placed in military custody, people lost track of him," a senior intelligence official conceded Wednesday night. "The normal review processes that would keep track of him didn't."

    The detainee was described by the official as someone "who was actively planning operations specifically targeting U.S. forces and interests both inside and outside of Iraq."

    But once he was placed into custody at Camp Cropper, where about 100 detainees deemed to have the highest intelligence value are held, he received only one cursory arrival interrogation from military officers and was never again questioned by any other military or intelligence officers, according to Pentagon and intelligence officials.

    The Pentagon's chief spokesman, Lawrence Di Rita, said Wednesday that officials at Camp Cropper questioned their superiors several times in recent months about what to do with the suspect.

    But only in the last two weeks has Mr. Rumsfeld's top aide for intelligence policy, Stephen A. Cambone, called C.I.A. senior officials to request that the agency deal with the suspect or else have him go into the prison's regular reporting system.

    Mr. Di Rita referred questions about the prisoner's fate to the C.I.A.

    A senior intelligence official said late Wednesday that "the matter is currently under discussion."

    In July 2003, the man suspected of being an Ansar al-Islam official was captured in Iraq and turned over to C.I.A. officials, who took him to an undisclosed location outside of Iraq for interrogation. By that fall, however, a C.I.A. legal analysis determined that because the detainee was deemed to be an Iraqi unlawful combatant - outside the protections of the Geneva Conventions - he should be transferred back to Iraq.

    Mr. Tenet made his request to Mr. Rumsfeld - that the suspect be held but not listed - in October. The request was passed down the chain of command: to Gen. Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, then to Gen. John P. Abizaid, the commander of American forces in the Middle East, and finally to Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez, the ground commander in Iraq. At each stage, lawyers reviewed the request and their bosses approved it.
     
  2. glynch

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    Look at the gleeful exclamation points that glynch chose to put in the title of this thread. Sickening. The liberals' quest to make Americans feel as horrible as they possibly can about the War on Terror and the efforts of our troops and their leaders continues to disgust. The liberals are just providing ammunition for the terrorists that hate America. The liberals' slanted portrayal of events in Iraq and elsewhere does in fact encourage terrorists to strike. It simply serves as motivation for these killers. Do the liberals care one bit? No, of course not. Instead they politicize the war and highlight the negative every chance they get. It's not unlike reading al Queda's own description of the conflict. It's gross. The more troops that come back and immediately talk about the slanted protrayal of the War on Terror, the more I have come to distrust liberal media sources like the NY Times, CNN, etc. If it were not an election year, I would bet that you would see much more balanced coverage. Instead, the liberals have adopted their "Kerry-at-all-costs" publicity campaign, which is sadly founded on the negative portrayal of courageous and hard-working Americans. For some reason, the liberals think that embarrassing and humiliating US troops and their leaders is their only path to the White House. It's gross, it's irresponsible, and it's sickening.
     
  4. thadeus

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    For some reason, I started giggling like a schoolkid when I read the above post.
     
  5. kazo

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    t_j why do you come across as angry and brittle?
     
  6. mc mark

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    And why don't you address the article instead of liberal bash?
     
  7. Baqui99

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    Where in your incoherent rambling did you address the issue at hand? How anyone can honestly continue to support someone as inept and incompetent as Old Man Rummy is mind boggling.
     
  8. JuanValdez

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    If I'm supposed to be outraged here, I can't quite manage it. I mean:

    * It does suck that for something so important, they are so poorly organized that they can actually lose this guy in the system.

    * It does suck that we again flaunt the Geneva Convention and deal with prisoners in an immoral fashion. And, we're hiding them from the Red Cross.

    * But, it isn't as if the guy got worse treatment for it. If anything, he got a 7 month reprieve from interrogation. Perhaps he'd yield some important information if we hadn't forgotten about him. So Rumsfeld shot himself in the foot. OK.
     
  9. GreenVegan76

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    Yeah, liberals suck. We know.

    But do you have an opinion on the issue?
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    Tenet is already gone, I hope that Rumsfeld follows.
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    Since when do exclamation points mean glee? I know they could be used that way or a number of other ways. My own opinion given glynches previous opinions about torture were not that he was gleeful, but upset, outraged, and frustrated.
     
  12. GreenVegan76

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    I tend to agree. People sometimes slip through the cracks, especially in the bureaucratic nightmare that is the U.S. intelligence system.

    It sucks bananas, but this kind of gross incompetence is status quo for the Monkey Administration. I'm sure the administration will soon blame it on another vague mid-level official and raise the terror alert.
     
  13. FranchiseBlade

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    It might be blamed on another mid level management person, or it might be blamed on the previous administration, or a few bad apples who were supposed to remind Rumsfeld to list the prisoner, and give him an identification number to file with the red cross etc.
     
  14. Willis25

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    "Ridicule is the first and last argument of fools."
    - Charles Simmons
     
  15. MoBalls

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    Oh yeah....It will be blamed on someone else, rather than someone from the top.
     

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