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What Is The Endgame???

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Imanimal, Jan 11, 2022.

  1. roslolian

    roslolian Member

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    What type of development are you talking about? If you aren't talking about winning or losing then you shouldn't be talking about Silas since that's the only thing he is responsible for.

    You realize the Rox have coaches specifically for skills and development right?
     
  2. snowconeman22

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    We will know after the trade deadline.

    right now our mission is to keep our players healthy and stay flexible and focus on developing a few young guys
     
  3. NewAge

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    Suggs is playing fundamentally sound basketball and is making impact on defense. His problem is that he can’t buy a basket.
     
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  4. roslolian

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    Shooting is part of fundamentals. If he can't score he ain't fundamentally sound he's just good defensively.

    Plus Suggs isn't really that fundamentally good to begin with he started bball late as he was a foot ball prospect before he switched. Players who are fundamentally sound have bball backgrounds like Mobley or have been playing bball at an early age like Wagner. Again we are talking about fundamentals here if you can build fundamentals in a couple of months then they wouldn't be called fundamentals.
     
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    A question for you guys. How often do you see a team go from absolute **** (rockets) to winning it all? How long did it take them?

    The reality is this team is likely a decade+ away from truly contending
     
  6. banzai

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    Well, we are definitely an instant gratification culture. We’ve been living in the past and want to fill that void with something. Rebuild process takes time. People just don’t get it. You don’t gut a whole team and expect to win the next year.
     
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    10 years is a bit dramatic. To answer your question, Phoenix last year went from terrible to contender, and all they had to do was trade for one of the worst contracts in the league.
     
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  8. xaos

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    endgame? you mean the ultimate goal? near term? short term? Plan? what is it that you're specifically asking here

    We are talking about end game on year one of a rebuild?
     
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    its not dramatic when you start literally from scratch. it's closer to that than anything earlier as far as being truly a contender goes.

    lol @ worst contracts in the league. the same contract that came with multiple all nba/all star appearances since traded and led them to a finals appearance

    so prior to 2021, do you know the last time phoenix actually made the playoffs? here you go, 2010. let that sink in
     
  11. gmoney411

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    Winning a title of obviously the goal but building a legit contender is what GMs should be aiming for. Lakers, Suns, Bulls, Nets, and Warriors are all good teams this season that started from a pretty bare base.
     
  12. jerryclark

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    this is devin booker's 7th season in the league. The last time the suns made the playoffs was 5 years before that
     
  13. jerryclark

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    the lakers last championships are literally a decade apart and they were lucky lebron wanted to play there. Same goes for the nets. Bulls are to be seen, warriors were awful forever
     
  14. gmoney411

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    If the goal is championship any standard you set is going to seem ineffective. Most teams don't win titles and they are often dominated by a few stars for a long period. There is no formula to a championship.
     
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    Championships are very, very hard to achieve. Few teams ever get one. If they do, they try to keep the players that won it so they can win it again. The Rockets are currently in the vast wasteland of loser status. The playoffs are a distant memory and championships are a future dream. We are in nightmare territory. With a largely clueless rookie coach and largely clueless young players, the team is going nowhere any time soon. It is tough to be the team every other team is looking forward to playing.
     
  16. flamingdts

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    In order to search for that, you need to play your rookies more and prioritize them in your system.

    We have 7 players playing more than 20 minutes a game, remove Green and KPJ from the 7, and our 5 players they have an average age of 28. These players are unlikely to stick around for the next 2-3 years.

    Between Green and KPJ, Green is our highest draft pick, but is 4/5th on this team in touches (tied with Tate in this department.)

    KPJ is practically the only young player that the Rockets are prioritizing in development (which fits with some reports that this is the Rocket's plan), but frankly, considering how he has played as well as his off/on attitudes, it's looking like a very head scratching decision when you have high potential pieces lying around waiting to be utilized more.
     
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  17. Yetti

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    Exactly what I have been thinking , especially about our coaching stakk! Y
     
  18. gmoney411

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    KPJ and Wood need to be figured out now. KPJ is up for extension and Wood likely needs to be traded this deadline or off-season if you want him long term. There is plenty of time to figure out what the rookies are because they are under team control for years. And it's not like they aren't giving them minutes. It's way too early to say the rookies aren't getting enough exposure.
     
  19. Imanimal

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    Maybe not Wood, but Silas loves KPJ….he literally said it about five times in his explanation of giving that tough disciplined one game suspension. If Silas is here, KPJ will be here (unless he ever gets drug tested).
     
  20. flamingdts

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    The Rockets have a clock on their development. They can only guarantee their own pick for 2 more years, before it becomes top 4 protected. The Rockets want to follow the trajectory of successful tanking teams like Sixers or OKC, where they basically struggled for only 3-4 years before launching into a 50+ win team.

    Realistically, the Rockets will need to be on two extreme ends of the spectrum in 3 years time:
    1. Good enough as a young team, that they are fighting for a playoff spot. The Rockets would then just be surrendering a late first rounder, which isn't important anymore because the Rockets would want to start bringing in veterans at that point as opposed to developing more young players.
    2. Worse team in the league to ensure the highest probability of a top 4 pick. Even then, the Rockets have basically a 50/50 chance of losing the pick entirely again.
    The last thing the Rockets want to do is play veterans that will help them win meaningless games. The 7 win game streak was incredibly detrimental to the Rockets future, we beat up on other bottom feeder teams with our veterans and now we're 3rd place on the tank with practically no chance of "catching up".
     
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