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What will it take to make you seriously consider an EV?

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  1. Two Sandwiches

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    It's got a self positioning fleshlight, too.
     
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    No one is driving NY to Cincinnati let’s be real.
     
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    Chevrolet shows off the 2024 Silverado EV, its first electric pickup
    The first versions will have a 400-mile range, but they won't be cheap.

    JONATHAN M. GITLIN - 1/5/2022, 12:15 PM

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    On Wednesday, during General Motors' Consumer Electronics Show keynote, the company unveiled its next electric vehicle. We've already seen models from a newly revived Hummer and a forthcoming Cadillac SUV, but now it's Chevrolet's turn. And it's an important vehicle for the brand, as this is its first battery-electric pickup truck—the 2024 Silverado EV.

    It will be exclusively made in a crew cab configuration, and yes, there's a big frunk up front where you would normally find an internal combustion engine.

    As you might expect, the Silverado EV makes use of GM's new family of Ultium Drive motors and Ultium batteries, which means it runs on an 800 V electrical architecture. The trucks can pack up to 24 modules of cells, which translates to a whopping 200 kWh of lithium-ion. As a result, Chevy will be able to offer trucks with 400 miles (644 km) of range between charges when equipped with the biggest battery pack.

    A benefit of the higher voltage is quicker DC fast-charging. The Silverado EV will charge at up to 350 kW, which GM says will add 100 miles (160 km) of range in 10 minutes.

    The first Silverado EV variant to hit our roads will be the Silverado EV WT, which should arrive in spring 2023. This one is aimed unambiguously at fleets and the work truck market...

    Chevrolet says that "after production ramps up," it will "unleash the full Silverado EV portfolio," which will include a version of the WT that starts at $39,900. Although we don't have a price for the Silverado EV WT that launches next spring, expect it to cost a fair chunk more than that due to packing so much lithium-ion.

    In fall 2023, the Silverado EV RST First Edition joins the lineup. This one has all the bells and whistles, including four-wheel steering, adaptive air suspension, a flexible midgate that lets you extend the bed into some of the cab, plus a bigger infotainment screen and trailer-capable Super Cruise.

    The RST First Edition also comes with the biggest battery pack, which helps explain its price—a hefty $105,000. However, Chevrolet says that it will also offer Silverado EVs at around $50,000, $60,000, and $70,000 as production gets fully underway.

    https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/0...-2024-silverado-ev-its-first-electric-pickup/

     
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  4. FrontRunner

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    I think Ford is ultimately going to sell/lease more electric pickups based on price. No one can tell me this is not impressive though (although I'm sure one poster will try.)
     
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    Rip Tesla.

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    Model X and Model 3 came out with no competition. Cybertruck will be coming out with Rivian, Lightning, and Hummer EV. Big competition.You see, if the Cybertruck had released in 2020 like originally planned, Tesla would have had a major advantage, instead they are losing millions of sales due to the delay.

    all those features you mentioned are nice, but not close to full self driving. They've underdelivered by a lot on that front.
     
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    Cybertruck isn't the only one with delays, Rivian is being produced at paultry levels, Lightning was just delayed, Hummer ev...that thing didn't sell much as a gas car I'm not sure why anyone thinks ev would just magically revive it. Anyways Tesla is cell constrained, every battery they have is already put in the cars they are delivering today, and the backlog is 6-12 month wait for new orders. Having the Cybertruck be available today doesn't help the situation, they would just have to starve cells for other cars and sell less of everything else. By end of 2022 they are ramping up Berlin and Austin factories which both include their own battery production, so then they can start Cybertruck without eating into other sales. They are not losing millions in sales, because there is not millions of Rivians or Lightnings or Hummers, and there won't be, Ford just doubled their Lightning annual production target to 150k. Tesla has 1.3 million Cybertruck reservations.

    With FSD, it's taken way longer than they originally said to become a truly self driving solution, but you can't say they have underdelivered when they are rolling out software updates to beta users on a weekly basis to improve FSD. It is not a finished product, and a major focus of the company to get it done. Now if they never develop a self driving car then they would have underdelivered and owe customers a refund. But this is one of the hardest problems right now with countless companies racing to solve it, and when happens it will be world changing. Waymo has been at it for 10+ years and still not making any headway besides small scale demos.
     
  8. Sajan

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    Elon's smart. Have paying customers be beta testers driving around collecting data for them.
     
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  9. Space Ghost

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    Did you think CAPTA was about security?
     
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    Nope but at least CAPTA is not 50K lol
     
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    Cybertruck is so delayed Elon is going to have to rename it because 'cyber' isn't futuristic anymore.
     
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    Dogetruck is the future. I think it can drive to the moon.
     
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    The backup started when an 18-wheeler jackknifed. Predictable. I'll note that a number of gasoline-powered cars also ran out of fuel, so why the focus on EVs? When you're stuck for hours, the odds are good that someone will run out of fuel regardless of engine type. It's not an EV issue, but a governmental response issue with a fair amount of personal responsibility included as many did not heed the warnings before the storm or looked at the rain falling and thought, "Hey, it's only rain."

    We can stop the big rigs when weather gets bad, including closing the interstate like what happens in western states with regularity when there is heavy snow. If you've ever driven out west, it's not unusual to see gates on the entrance ramps.

    We could build a more robust rail network and just have tractor-trailers work the last few miles of a delivery instead of carting stuff all across the country (this would save massive amounts of road maintenance costs too). There should also be passenger train service between DC and Richmond that could have kept some folks off the road and if the train gets cancelled or delayed, you're not stuck out in the middle of nowhere--you're in a train station or on a train with warmth and food.

    Virginia DOT could have a better bad weather response, including better coordination with county and local resources, including search and rescue. However, Virginia doesn't get enough snow for politicians to justify an investment in more snow plows and like all states that have infrequent heavy snow, they don't seem to plan very well. They could have also called out the National Guard.

    EVs will get better, battery tech will get better, charging infrastructure will get better. That's all a given. What's not a given is if our government at all levels can think through future problems and have enough willpower to devote resources to prevention and/or new systems that will create a more resilient society.
     
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    I agree with all of this, but none of it is an easy infrastructure fix and EV infrastructure is gonna be way behind gasoline.

    My point was you seem to think these fixes are easy, yet they continue to happen even with a mature automobile infrastructure, and it will be even worse for EV's.

    How long will be for better battery tech and charging infrastructure, and even then that does make them immune to something like this?

    Not saying this is a huge issue for EV's, but something to think about if you are creating a checklist.

    Has anybody did a study of the pro's and con's of high traffic areas when you own an EV it seems that range anxiety could be an issue, but I guess you would have an advantage because you are not continually burning electric unless you need AC or a heater.

    If you keep your car charged, traffic should not an issue, but we know how people will push having to fuel up and it's a time thing with an EV.

    Anyway these are things I had never thought about when it comes to ownership of EV's and I bet some real horror stories will start to emerge as Joe average starts owning them.
     
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    I sold my E-Tron. Made 15,000 bucks in profit.. lmao.
    This car market is insane!
    Drove it for 10 months. put 9500 miles on it.
     
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    Wth? lolol. I'm telling you - there are suckers out there overpaying for cars right and left. There were people buying used vehicles for more than new versions of the same model. It's nuts. You probably did the right thing if you made that much off of it.

    I kind of regret not buying a new car and selling it for a profit as a rental now. LOL.
     
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  19. Sajan

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    Dude. MSRP new on the car is 68,700. They just listed for 67,991!
    1% depreciation??
    That means this market is at least 25% inflated right now.
     
  20. Dr of Dunk

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    So what did you think of the car for the almost-year you owned it? Are you looking at anything else in the meantime that's electric or just going to wait?
     

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