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Case for Trading Up to get Alperen Sengun

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Medicine N Music, Jul 3, 2021.

  1. cmoak1982

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    This is absolutely true. The issue is the other rookies aren’t held to the same standard and still get more minutes.
     
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    And Green still fouls and turns it over less when you standardize their minutes using per 36. KPJ turns it over the most, but he isn’t fouling at an absurd rate.

    Rookies Mobley and Wagner are getting lots of minutes because they aren’t fouling and turning it over either.
     
  3. dmoneybangbang

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    But they also aren’t fouling AND turning it over at such a high rate. Green, KPJ, and JC turn it over a lot but aren’t fouling a lot.

    Tate also fouls at an extremely high rate (2nd on team) but is in the bottom half of turnovers….
     
  4. cmoak1982

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    And they also aren’t giving the same production per minute either.
    As much as Green has improved he has a negative Assist/TO ratio.
     
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  5. CXbby

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    Sengun is by far the brightest prospect on the Houston Rockets, if you are not a Sengun fan you need to get your Rocket fan card checked or confiscated.
     
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    There is no double standard. There is nothing to figure out.

    This team sucks period.
    This team sucks even more with 2 bigs on the floor. Leaving 48 minutes for the position. There is a somewhat established vet making more money, who we should want to trade who needs more of those minutes to help showcase him for a trade.
    This isn’t the same as Green. There are much more than 48 guard/wing minutes available for him to eat in to and less competition for those minutes.
    This isn’t playing favorites or singling out someone unfairly. It’s a numbers game. Period.
     
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    We literally just saw the worst of the problems against the Lakers.
     
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    He averages 6 fouls per 36 minutes. If he got to play starter minutes he would foul out almost every game.
     
  9. CXbby

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    You realize fouling and turning the ball over aren’t the only negative traits. Bricking 65% of your shots, being one of the worst defenders in the entire league, those things are not good either, should even cut into one’s playing time if we are being consistent.
     
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    This is a much better explanation than the other absurd justifications being thrown around.

    Which is why the only time I truly had an issue with Silas and playing time was the game he only played 5 minutes. That one made no sense, with no explanation or justification.
     
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    Using foul trouble as an excuse for not playing Sengun is silly. The max playing time he gets is less than 30 minutes foul trouble or not. So what if he fouls out? It’s not like he gets to play more if he doesn’t foul.
     
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    Which is why per 36 is used to compare across varying minutes.
     
  13. CXbby

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    So play him 35 minutes then. (Somewhat facetious)
     
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    I had assumed everyone was cognizant that we had Wood taking up minutes.

    And I also brought up the roster earlier too, but apparently that wasn’t as flashy as turnovers/fouls.
     
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    No one, literally no one, is asking for Silas to play him 36 mins, so the foul excuse is truly mind boggling. There is no excuse to not play him 25 min on average.
     
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    You seem to think the Rockets operate like a middle school team with all this “being consistent”.
     
  17. cmoak1982

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    Correct but per 36 positives are far more in favor of Sengun.
    JC has .3 less turnovers
    JG has .7 less turnovers

    Sengun only one with positive win shares.
    Usage rates are almost identical between Sengun and Green.
     
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    I’m not saying play him 36, but 25-30 should be happening.
     
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    And I’d agree if we are talking by the end of the season.
     
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    I don’t think fouls and turnovers limiting a young players minutes is absurd. I actually think there is a good chance there have been SOME(not all or most) games where it specifically cost him some minutes.

    But the main culprit is Wood and the limited number of minutes available for our particular bigs to play.
     

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