He's not yet. We know that he's one of the worst rookies in this class, we also know that he's got the athleticism to be a decent player if he ever learns how to play the game. Time will tell how he ends up.
I find it wild that some of the people in this thread who hated JC in summer league, saying he would be garbage, now love his play, but won't give Jalen Green the same respect or benefit of the doubt. interesting.. JC and Jalen Green came up together and have the same work ethic, both want to be great.. You guys have seen enough of Jalen Green and are already thinking he is a bust, lol
No, that's not clear. Larry Brown was not playing Darko, so his totals were low. They (BTW, it was the Pistons @Bobbythegreat, not the Cavs) were a competitive team, and won a title that year, Darko was glued to the bench. You don't know what numbers he would put on a 1-15 team.. He stuck around for 10 years, believe it or not , and got several contracts, post-rookie. These high picks with visible physical talent get multiple chances: Kwame stuck around, Fultz... I expect Green will be around, too, based on the promise. People here like to say, "Sometimes it takes years to figure out if a guy would be a star". Which is true. But also it always takes awhile to figure out if a guy is a bust. I was here at CF for all the excitement of the Hasheem Reclamation Project. The Stro Project, too... I guess one thing that is common for many of these busts, Hasheem, Kwame, Darko: they just lack passion for the game and for winning. All of them had talent, but wrong mentality for the NBA. We still don't know about Jalen, he's still a bit of an enigma. If some fire doesn't get lit in him, he'll be in that group, I can guarantee you. Hopefully he'll man up and get the juices flowing...
Lol alright. I think both of y'all are insane. Green could even still be a bust, like I said, but I think it's already clear that however he ends up, he won't be on top of any lists when you google "biggest bust of all time" like Darko is.
Can we stop with this nonsense please? He clearly has areas for improvement but to come in here and unironically compare him to Darko is peak stupidity. There is no comparison. Flaws and all he has outplayed all three of the players you mentioned. He has shown more talent and improvement than all those guys in their whole careers in 18 games. Stop with the foolishness.
I think their goal is just to provoke posters hence hyperbole such as "worst rookie in the draft class" or "all time bust". Like in his first 19 games as a 19 year old in the NBA he already had pretty epic games against good teams like the Lakers and Celtics with clutch moments like the off the dribble step back over AD. That's just his first 19 games of his career at 19. All time busts don't show those flashes in their first 20 games or so especially at 19. Usually they are like what Anthony Bennett or Darko do which is struggling to even crack double digit points. So anyone who is saying these hyperbolic statements of Green being an "all time" anything are just trying to trigger and provoke.
The athleticism, shooting ability, willingness to shoot, and opportunity. You score 20+ per game, and you'll make all-star teams. You'll be one of the most popular players in the sport. You might also be on a bunch of 50+ loss teams.
These people clearly get off on this stuff. Just say you lead an uninteresting, unfulfilled life and be done with it.
It's sad. Like Bobby is a middle aged dude with a family and spends half his day trashing a 19 year old. It's kinda really pathetic.
Fighting fire with fire. Sign of the times. Everyone has to pick a side and fight to the death. No more room for compromise and actual dialogue especially when it infiltrates your own fan base. Instead of positive reinforcement and hope - you get met with doom and gloom and the insufferable "we should have done this or that" ideas when they are rash to begin with. Amazon Prime fandom when people need to see finished products in 3 days or less otherwise they are "bust" material and then need to pile on with pages of useless jargon.
I think in 18 games "impact on team" is easily comparable to the biggest busts, absolutely. I think you're getting confused because he is a guard and most high pick busts are big men. As a guard he absolutely looks more fluid than any of these guys, but they were drafted for different team roles. I guess Stro Swift was probably a bit like JG: still a Big, but a superb athlete. He took awhile to be fully appreciated as a bust, too. However, more apt bust comps are high-flying guards like Harold Minor and Fred Jones, but these were mid-round picks. Top pick busts are mostly Bigs, so to your eyes they may look different, but in terms of impact on the game, JG has been extremely bad, definitely bust potential is there.
It's really sad. Even the guys you think are apt comparisons came into the league at 21 and 23 respectively and still were playing worse than Green while also having their fully developed bodies as they were 21 and 23 years of age entering the league. You are bad at these comparisons.
Also "impact on team" is absurd. How many 19 year old guards positively impact their team while also playing along side another 21 year old pg who is playing that position for the first time in their careers while also having essentially a rookie coach?
He clearly can score, passing is improving. It's too early to tell. First impression sucks though. He gets blown by easily by other guards due to his built.
OK, look. You're an intelligent person, but you're actually THE provocateur here. I haven't been answering to your posts to me since they are legitimately fishing for shet. But I'll answer this one. Please go here and select "rookies" from the pull down menu and sort by Overall Raptor. Who's the worst Rookie? https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/ Now, we have had a discussion with @harold bingo who is in this convo, too: I don't have high respect for this rankings, because it does not provide any good insight, it just states the obvious. But as a simple metric to state the obvious it is accurate as @harold bingo will tell you. And it has been obvious that JG has been terrible. Notice that this doesn't say anything about reasons why that is and/or if this will be the case in the future. As I like to point out EGo was ranked last in NBA a few years ago, coming off an injury and having a terrible shooting slump... BUT, none of the JG critics say that he won't ever turn it around: neither @Bobbythegreat, nor me, nor @DaDakota . You're searching for psychodrama on purpose!
