Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

The "coordinated conspiracy" is Laura Ingram and Sean Hannity going on air hours later and blaming antifa, instead of describing the reality they saw with their own eyes and tried to stop, before retconning the entire day over the following months culminating in Tucker Carlson's "Patriot Purge" miniseries.

Also lol at a news network who has accused its competition of being in cahoots with the Democratic party for decades instead having some of its most prominent hosts directly communicating with the White House chief of staff during one of the most consequential and shameful moments in recent American history.

 

hey look, the only comment I was making (re Shapiro) has to do with the fact that all these texts to Meadows seem to reflect a general reaction of surprise about the violent turn the protests had taken. That surprise seems to directly contradict the narrative that this was some sort of long-planned "insurrection" orchestrated by the Trump administration and its treason-enabling state media outlet Fox News.

if folks don't see the contradiction, then, well, I can't help you

 

just wandering tourists right

 

Oh I can see that contradiction. But I don't think that Fox talking heads had anything to do with on-the-ground events during the insurrection. What they have done is deliberately and knowingly retconned it for their audience in a direct contradiction of what they saw for themselves during the event.

 

If you believe the conservatives/republican/trump supporters have weighed in, what do you believe their prevailing opinion is?

Seems to me (and you are free to disagree), the prevailing thinking was people trespassed but it wasn't that bad. Some described it as a tour. Others defend it by pointing to other examples of politically-motivated demonstrations. And most believed trump had no involvement, either before it happened, during it, or afterwards. Yet the Jan 6 House Commission is finding out what really happened leading up, during and after.

 

he even said they were just "wandering"

 

Most of all: they would gladly vote for him again and think that the harm he's done to American democracy is less important than four years of a Democratic president.

 

No he doesn’t.

The text messages to meadows from congressmen apologizing and lamenting not being able to get state reps to send in second slates of electors proves they all were in on overthrowing the election.

Only thing this proves is they didn’t want the visual representation of their voters beating up cops and pissing and sh$tting in the capital. They ALL wanted to overturn the election though… they just wanted to not look like psychos from a Rob Zombie movie while doing it. Even Putin cares about optics while he rigs elections and poisons journalists.

So no you and Ben Shapiro are wrong as usual. FoxNews and the sedition caucus deserve zero breaks. They caused it just as much as Trump did.

 

thanks for the tip

 

That's the thing... it seems to boil down to two possibilities...

• One possibility is they support what trump says and does and support the effort to overturn the election.
• The other possibility is they don't support trump, don't support what he says and does, and don't support the insurrection, but don't care enough because it is more important to keep a republican as President, no matter how and and no matter who.

Is there any other possibility?

 

Of course they all knew there would be a crowd going to the capital led by Trumps speech prior though. That is obvious and it was televised. What they didn’t know is how bad it would look and how violent it truly would be.

The plan was to force a 12th amendment vote. That’s it.

Nobody knew exactly how they were going to get there but there were enough cards on the table the get it done in their mind. A huge crowd out front large enough to cancel the vote was 100% one of those cards they all intended on playing. If not there’s no need to have meetings the day before with people like Ali Alexander who were there to control the crowd. You think Shawn Hannity and Inghram and Don Jr. weren’t aware of Ali Alexander and talking to him leading up to the event??

 

I have remained blissfully unaware of who Ali Alexander is.

 

you didnt make any comment. you reposted a tweet from ben shapiro and his analysis was stupid and off-base. even by gaslighting standards it was pretty lazy.

ill ask again - who is claiming that fox news orchestrated the insurrection?

 

many have also claimed that it was antifa (fatty, for example) or democrats.

 

you must have missed where I commented "lol. he kinda has a point"

 

no, i caught that.

you must have missed the part where i asked you (twice) for any examples of people saying fox news orchestrated trumps insurrection or that it was "springing" from fox news. ill ask a 3rd time - who said fox news orchestrated the insurrection?

 

you seem to think that your rudely making demands of me obligates me in any way to respond to you in a polite and/or respectful manner

 

you have been responding to me in this thread. you just cant back up your claim that ben shapiro kinda had a point. you dont need to be polite or respectful...just back up what you said. should be easy!

 

you must have missed the point where I explained:

 

lol, as luck would have it:

commentary from Ed Morrissey (unfortunately for some folks here) that cites the Shapiro tweet in a similar way (i.e., "he kind of has a point")

https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/202...s-to-trump-on-jan-6-call-off-the-riot-n435319

relevant excerpt:

However, this string of texts undermines the idea that the riot was a planned event by Trump and part of a larger coup effort. If the idea was a coup, wouldn’t Trump have read his own son and closest political adviser in on the plan? Instead, Don Jr repeatedly tries to get his father into the Oval Office to act presidential and call everything off. “It has gone too far” is not something that coup plotters ever say short of grasping power.

Ben Shapiro points out that these texts also debunk accusations of complicity by Fox News hosts:

Just to get this straight, apparently every Fox News host plus Don Jr. was texting Mark Meadows to tell Trump to talk down the rioters…and this somehow demonstrates a coordinated conspiracy to overthrow the government springing from Fox News and its ilk?

— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) December 14, 2021​

Exactly. It’s clear that the riot took everyone by surprise, although in retrospect it’s not easy to grasp why. Trump had continually fired up his base in his “stop the steal” campaign, called for the demonstration on the same day that Congress officially recorded the vote (Congress doesn’t “certify” it at all; the states certify election results), and then told them to go down Pennsylvania Avenue to register their discontent. That’s not legally an incitement to riot no matter how much this committee wants to pretend it is, although it’s certainly worthy of political and moral criticism and judgment. (Allahpundit will have more on whether it constitutes another federal crime in an upcoming post, so stay tuned.)

However, there’s a flip side to these texts. They tend to exonerate everyone from the idea of a coup plot, but they also demonstrate that Meadows and/or Trump simply didn’t care much if rioters disrupted and assaulted Congress, either. That’s the point that the committee wants to dissect with Meadows under oath, and that’s the point that Meadows refuses to discuss with them. Did Meadows pass along any of those messages? If so, what was Trump’s response? He waited a long time before issuing a statement asking rioters to back off. Why? It’s not because there was a coup plot, obviously, but did Meadows not bother to pass the messages along — or did Trump just not give a damn while sulking over his election loss?

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