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Verlander Re-signs with Astros

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by lnchan, Nov 17, 2021.

  1. Nick

    Nick Contributing Member

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    But lets speculate irresponsibly some more... "has to have been a failed physical, even though I have no real source or info regarding that"... oh Ken.

    At this point, there's really not much separating a well informed BBS poster and guys who make a living trying to cover these teams. Everybody's got access to twitter... and reddit.
     
  2. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard

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    "Illegal negotiations" complaints from the usual suspect fan bases...
     
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    GOT EM. ZAKHEM.
     
  4. Nick

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    You're not kidding... man, amazing... almost bot-like.

    The league wanted a scape-goat... encouraged the media to run with the story ad-nauseum to try and claim it was a singular issue... and now there's no way to put it back. Even the reporters seem to have realized what they irresponsibly continued to do to ensure the clicks.

    When Yordan wins the MVP next year, they're going to claim he was using the trash can again... lol.
     
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    Serious question...

    Considering the allegations (even though he wasn't here in '17) along with the overall perception of the team and his status as a DH, what kind of year would it take for Yordan to get favorable MVP consideration? I'm guessing .300/35/120 won't get it done.
     
  6. Astrofan59

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    Look at the year Vlad Jr had last year. He hit 311/48/111. If not for Ohtani, he would have won. So the real answer is that 300/35/120 makes him competitive, but what do other players accomplish
     
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    True, but lets be honest. Shohei was a phenomenon unlike anything MLB has seen since.....ever? In any other year, pretty sure Vlad Jr.'s numbers would have been more than adequate to win MVP. My prediction is if Yordan slashes .300/35/120 he should win it barring an even more impressive year by another player.
     
  8. vince

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    Thanks for sharing.
     
  9. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    There is a big difference between 35 and 48 homeruns.

    If he repeated his stat line from his rookie season across an entire season, he would win MVP.
     
  10. TheresTheDagger

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    Absolutely. That's why I put in the qualifier in my comment.
     
  11. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard

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    That’s not good for Houston. Only way he triggers that option is if he get seriously injured after reaching 130 ip.
     
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    We took the extra year gamble that other teams wouldn’t. I’d do the same deal, it’s worth it.
     
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    wait, is that how it works? It is a one year deal. Verlander has option for second year if he hits 130IP. But we are not obligated to the second year otherwise.

    so if he is hurt and doesn’t do well this year, we aren’t bound to a second year at 25MM. That’s a good thing. If he hits 130, he decides if he wants to come back for another 25MM or ask for longer or more. It is relatively low risk for us. Not huge upside, but low risk.
     
  18. Snake Diggit

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    I think you misunderstood me. I was saying the player option is only downside for Houston. If Verlander throw 130ip and gets seriously hurt in the 2nd half of this season, Houston has to pay him $25M for him to be hurt next season, essentially paying $50M for Verlander to pitch for April thru August of 2022 only.
     
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  19. Nick

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    Sounds like load management coming... but if he's elite, let him get to 130 (which at that point, he may not even exercise the option).

    They need him to be healthy/fresh in the playoffs. 2019 was an amazing year, but he pitched every 4th day throughout the season and clearly was running on fumes throughout the playoffs.
     
  20. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    If he he is old and injured to reach 130 innings, we don't have to pay for the second season. How is that a bad thing?
     

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