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[Official] Astros Off-Season

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Nov 3, 2021.

  1. Jeremy Williams

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    Take a closer look at his skills. Plus, the pen is the one major area of weakness that needs to be addressed.
     
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    Let's hope he does better than the last big FA reliever we signed.

    A bullpen of Pressly, Stanek, Neris, Maton, Baez (?) seems solid
     
  3. Jeremy Williams

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    I’d like to see one more RP like Chafin.
     
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    Need a strong lefty. That may have to come from a trade.
     
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    Chafin is a strong lefty.
     
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    His skills have amounted to a 3.83 ERA and a 1.21 WHIP over the last 4 years, and he's 32 not some up and coming youngster. At that price he needs to be a wipeout late inning reliever, not a decent arm to add to the pen.

    Hopefully I'm wrong and they are just extremely confident they have a fix that can make him Pressly 2.0, but the fact that we're paying Baez and Neris over 14 million dollars looks like f**king terrible value. It's Texans level decision making.
     
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    There is certainly some upside there with his splitter/four seam but he’s projected to put up around a 3.9 FIP and 0.5 WAR next season in 70+ innings which is pretty…mediocre.
     
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    I like Chafin
     
  9. Jeremy Williams

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    A lot of it depends on the statistics you hold valuable. The Astros value xwOBA a lot, and Neris is very similar to Graveman against RHH; better than Graveman against LHH.
     
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    How much money do we have left for a shortstop now?
     
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  11. Jeremy Williams

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    The FO follows our analytics department. I fully trust them in this area and the underlying statistics support their decision.
     
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    Maybe can't compare but is Neris better than Yimi Garcia or Collin McHugh? Who would you guys prefer between the 3? Would Garcia or McHugh have accepted the same offer?
     
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    Collin definitely accepts. He and his wife love Houston and I think they'd be ecstatic to return.

    Neris has good peripherals, perhaps they think he's a reclamation project, but y first reaction to the signing was "uh-oh." I have a buddy who's a Phils fans and all he talks about is how bad their pen has sucked for the past 4 or so years. He looks like someone who's underperformed what's expected, and has a lot of K stuff, but he also gives up a ton of walks, Still, too much for a middle reliever IMO. I'd have rolled with who we have, signed one guy for $5M AAV or so, and then used ammo at the deadline if need be.
     
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    The Phillies have been terrible overall. We have loads of examples of pitching other teams ruined that we’ve found to be a gold mine.
     
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    That’s a steep price for Neris. $8.5M/yr is more in line with a proven/sure fire elite setup man and/or borderline closer. Fwiw, fangraphs depth chart projections project Neris as the most valuable RP on the free agent market at 0.7 fwar.

    I would have loved Neris on something like $12M/2yr, and $14M/2yr would have been about what I would have expected him to get, so I would say this is a significant overpay by %, but not by total dollars. $4M just isn’t that much money.

    But after this and Verlanders $25M AAV, there’s almost no way Houston can sign Correa (or any of the 4 remaining elite SS) without going over the expected luxury tax threshold, even if they were to shed Odorizzi’s salary.

    I would guess that if Houston is going to significantly improve their roster from here, it’ll be via trade (a CF like Buxton or Mullins or a SP like Castillo).

    Houstons bullpen is set unless they trade somebody away: Odorizzi (or Urquidy), Javier, Montero, Stanek, Baez, Maton, Neris, Pressly. That is a very deep group with upside to be dominant top to bottom. Coupled with their depth in the minors, Houston should be set there.
     
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    As Snake Diggit mentioned, this is a potenial career ending injury. This is worse than Tommy John in my opinion. Until he shows that he can produce post surgery I expect nothing from him.

    I don't have a problem with signing Neris. The money is the issue for me. I agree with Snake Diggit's analysis in his most recent post. If this signing prevents bringing back Correa or another big free agent it is gross. I'm hoping a big trade is coming.
     
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    If we sign a highly paid shortstop, I think it’s very likely to happen after CBA negotiations. The threshold would have to increase. IMO, we are likely planning to find a complement to pair with Diaz that can play this year until Peña is our full-time guy in 2023.
     
  19. Jeremy Williams

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    Even if Meyers never comes back at all, he’s definitely not a prototypical bust. It would just be disappointing.

    I agree that Neris is about 3 million more per year than expected, but the Astros front office definitely made it a priority to get him. They like what they see.
     
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    Hard not to like this guy.
     
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