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17 Games In: Who should be Starting?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rocket River, Nov 23, 2021.

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Who should be our starters?

  1. Christian Wood

    78 vote(s)
    73.6%
  2. Jea'Sean Tate

    69 vote(s)
    65.1%
  3. Alperen Sengun

    95 vote(s)
    89.6%
  4. Kevin Porter Jr

    56 vote(s)
    52.8%
  5. Jalen Green

    83 vote(s)
    78.3%
  6. Eric Gordon

    50 vote(s)
    47.2%
  7. Daniel Theis

    5 vote(s)
    4.7%
  8. Josh Christopher

    12 vote(s)
    11.3%
  9. Kenyon Martin Jr

    47 vote(s)
    44.3%
  10. OTHER - House, Nawaba Garuba, Explain

    12 vote(s)
    11.3%
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  1. steddinotayto

    steddinotayto Contributing Member

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    The only for sure player to start is Sengun. I don’t care if they roll out JC Augustin Tate and Martin with him. Just get my man Al-P up in that starting lineup
     
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  2. MystikArkitect

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    I cant even with a straight face answer this question. Sengun makes both Wood and Theis pointless. Ideally it'd be KPJ/Green/KMJ/Garuba/Sengun. And both Theis and Wood would be gone and we get a 7 footer that can shoot. What's Mehmet Ohkur up to these days?
     
  3. clos4life

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    Not starting Sengun is a criminal act at this point and Silas should be getting arrested for it.
     
  4. hajkov

    hajkov Consummate Member

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    To win NOW

    Starters:
    Wall (or DJ, but need a true point)
    Green
    Tate
    Wood at PF
    Sengun at C
     
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  5. hajkov

    hajkov Consummate Member

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    But KJM having significant minutes to play with both sengun and wood
     
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  6. TimDuncanDonaut

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    Gordon
    Green
    KJ
    Sengun
    Wood

    DJ
    Green
    KJ
    Tate
    Wood

    Gambling line up for energy scoring punch.
    DJ
    Brooks
    Mathews
    KJ
    Sengun
     
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  7. Magicsaint

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    Augustine should be the starting PG. He creates better plays and space well to set up other players and I think Green might even play better with him on the court. And KPJ is not a pure PG. My starting 5 would be:

    Augustine
    KPJ or Ego
    Green
    Sengun or KMJ
    Wood
     
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  8. RasaqBoi

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    agree and sad at the same time. Imagine if we had Rubio.

    I’m down for a dragic for Gordon trade. Kpj is not a pg.
     
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  9. Rocket River

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    Wall is not available

    Rocket River
     
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    Alperen Sengun
    Jalen Green
    Josh Christopher
    Kenyon Martin Jr
    Armoni Brooks
     
  11. Easy

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    Sengun
    Tate
    Martin
    Green
    Wall
     
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  12. crenshaw

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    Am I the only one who thinks starters don't matter as much as Its who gets the meaningful minutes or (if we are lucky) crunchtime to close out games. This is where experience and growth will be achieved.

    wood and gordon are shoe-ins ---- we better put either Alpy or Kmart in that frontline (or both - if silas smartens up), and a toss up between KPJ and Jalen. These are the people we should be worried about getting lion's share of the PT.

    After we trade either wood or gordon --- then lobbying for Christopher minutes should get more traction.
     
  13. burlesk

    burlesk Serious business
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    Food for thought? A snapshot of the current top ten in net rating among 3 man lineups with 48 minutes or more together. Only a few positive values, and here they are. (From the nba.com stats page.)

    (Out of 35 different lineups that played together 48 minute)

    [​IMG]
     
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  14. burlesk

    burlesk Serious business
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    So to get analytical af now, that's 7 appearances there for EG, 6 for KPJ, 5 for Sengun, 3 for KJ (2 of which are with starting caliber players), 2 for Wood, Tate and Green... 1 for Theis... I guess if you play enough minutes you can barely sneak into the top ten...

    *insert Dave Fizdale gif
     
  15. Fulgore

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    Sengun
    Wood
    Tate
    Green
    Christopher
     
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    burlesk Serious business
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    Here's the same thing for 5 man lineups. 17 different lineups have played together 8 minutes or more, with 7 having positive net ratings... this is the top of the list.

    Only 6 lineups have played 20 minutes or more together. The most played has 160 minutes, the next most has 49. That lineup with 160 minutes (Wood, Theis, KPJ, Green and Tate) has a net rating of -26.5. The one at 49 minutes is worse, at -36.8 (that's Gordon, Wood, Theis, Green, and Tate).

    Gordon, Wood, Porter, Green, and Tate seem to me to be the outlier in terms of having played more minutes (39) PLUS having a solid net rating,

    Lots of evidence out there for folks arguing to start Gordon to help us keep from digging first quarter holes. Evidence for all of us in Sengun Nation too. KPJ actually looks better than you might expect(?). Theis less so. *shrug... I know it's all very limited and out of context, but it's interesting...

    For instance, a 21.7 drop in net rating just from taking out Tate and putting in Theis, in that Gordon, Wood, Porter, Green lineup (!)

    [​IMG]
     
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  17. burlesk

    burlesk Serious business
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    I want to see how EG, KPJ, Sengun and Martin play together -- gonna go look at 4 man lineups now...

    Here we go -- only 22 mimutes played together, and a very solid net rating of 12..8

    KJ and Sengun have their fingerprints all over the top of those lists...
     
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    TBH, any line up that can get us win #2, I'm good with. :D
     
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  20. Hemingway

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    Who knows either give him minutes here or go to RGV to find out. He is not ready to start at either position.
     
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