The state of the democratic party

If you put up every single piece of policy from these socialist wannabes, they will fold like cheap suits. Elon Musk just made Uncle Bernie feel the Bern by tweeting " Didn't know that you're still alive".

 

It's ironic that a lot of the opinions are that Democrats are wallowing in bad optics or perception when people think the MSM moves in lockstep with them. Things like the economy or even Afghanistan is more a Rorschach to the individual as not even experts can tell whether it's good or bad through a defined set of goals or metrics.

A big factor in our labor troubles also comes from clamping down on seasonal waivers to migrant workers. So it's rich that packers and ag firms can't get the pickers or bodies they need to get a product out yet everyone still thinks our borders are open, wild and unfettered with Biden n Kamala cackling along the way.

As for Hispanic voters, I know they are not a homogenous bloc. Some even pass as white, but Dem leadership needs to put in the money and muscle to invest in qualified and professional research on what they want from that group. IMO, immigration and courting that vote is a quagmire and in hindsight, has been since Bush. Dems are too myopic and assume whatever happened in California in the 90s is some demographic prophecy.

If anything, hispanic demographics will be more like Texas since everywhere else is less wealthy, organized or trustful of working state governmental institutions. They will take the my way or the highway approach and like every hopeful 1st gen immigrant, put their head down and pray that they will be accepted for their hard work and grit. Upon that acceptance, they will look down on their own for not following the same example and repay all the crap they went through while breaking up a class onto the newcomers.

That's why those Hispanic voters are trending Trump and Republicans.

If Dem leadership at the state and national levels can't recognize and act upon that, why do they think they feel worthy for those unsung votes who worked ten times harder?

 

Then the Bidenz people were stupid.

Had Trump been re-elected, then it would be possible the country would be so bad that someone extreme from the left could emerge.

As it is, both parties are becoming more extreme and if something doesn't change, it isn't going to end well.

I don't need a populist emerging from either party and selling it down the river.

 

Most of those that claim they are against CRT don't even seem to know what it is... and cannot provide any real evidence that it is being taught to their children in public school...... which isn't surprising for anyone that really knows what CRT is.

 

This.

The American people really aren't happy with either democrats or republicans.

They voted out Trump because things were bad.... things are not terribly better right now so they are punishing the party in power now, the democrats.

If the economy gets better in the 6-9 months leading up to 2024, then Biden or whoever they run will likely win...... if it is as bad as it is now, then the Republicans will likely win.

People look for mandates in everything..... Trump wasn't a mandate, Biden isn't really a mandate either.... and neither would the democrats losing the House.

 

First, thanks for the article and relevant response to what I said.

I found this interesting, and it is really the heart of the article IMO.

"It’s difficult, certainly, to imagine a grade-school teacher in front of a classroom teaching this kind of thing. However, this “critical” approach has trickled down, in broad outline, into the philosophy of education-school pedagogy and administration — call it C.R.T.-lite or, if you prefer, C.R.T. Jr. — and from there migrated into the methods used by graduates of those education programs into the way they wind up running schools.

Under this approach, what alarms many parents and other observers is that kids will absorb the idea that it is enlightened to see white people as potential oppressors and Black people as perpetual victims of an inherently oppressive system. That it is therefore appropriate to ascribe certain traits to races, rather than individuals, and that education must “center” the battle against power differentials between groups and the subtle perceptions that they condition.

An implication some educators draw from these tenets is that various expectations of some of their students, based on what are generally thought to be ordinary mainstream assumptions, are instead onerous stipulations from an oppressive white-centric view. Hence an idea that it is white to be on time, arrive at precise answers and reason from A to B, rather than holistically, etc. Again, this is not what decades-old critical race theory scholarship proposed, but yes, the idea is descended from original C.R.T.’s fundamental propositions about white supremacy."

First, I would argue that the term "CRT" seems to mean something specific when those against it want it to be specific and not specific when they cannot produce specific examples and that is a problem, especially when you want to ban the teaching of a theory that you cannot even define. This "we know it when we see it" approach doesn't really hold water.

Second, lets assume that it is 100% true that young adults in college and graduate school learn about CRT AND it influences their views and filters down to when they become parents or teachers. So what? CRT is something that has scholarly merit, and it is a theory that adult students should be exposed to as much as any other number of theories. What we are exposed to learn, and think about does influence our beliefs and opinions and we pass that down to those that we raise and teach. Further, by that point of filtration, it is extremely subjective what is and isn't a result of CRT.

Values and opinions change over time, and I don't remember in all of my years in school and graduate school and then law school having a professor say I had to believe in a particular theory concerning history or other soft sciences. We are exposed to it, study it and make up our own minds. Also what is taught in school is constantly changing. Go pick up a syllabus or text book from 1900 and compare it to one from 1950 and another from 2000 and they are all vastly different in the soft social sciences.

 

I spoke to a few folks about this. In my circle on the right, they know CRT isn't being taught in primary school but they don't want a culture of CRT. They are happy to see all these laws banning it in the classroom even though it doesn't exist there. What does exist, however, is they believe educators might have a preconceived tendency toward it. I was like, whoa, so, the whole deal here is essentially about banning someone's potential preconceived thoughts and not the actuality of if it's being taught. I'm quite amazed at how far the *normal* right is pushing this - to me, this idea of a pre-emptive strike at preventing and suppressing possible thoughts is beyond the suppression of speech, but into trying to control and manage people's thoughts from being expressed. I'm sure there is a term for that and it's not pretty.

 

It's political correctness from the Right.

 

They tried to cut her off real fast.

 

This is a definition of PC:

"the avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against."​

It doesn't fit that definition unless these folks believe the majority race is actually at a "socially disadvantaged" or is "discriminated against".

Either way, PC by an individual or private entities are one thing. By the gov through legislation is a completely different level. I personally view these actions and intentions behind them are closer to what China does to minority groups or groups without power.

 

Most of the rhetoric coming out of the Right is that they are socially disadvantaged and discriminated against. They argue that their culture is being ridiculed by cultural elites, that their history is being erased, that their children are being taught messages they don't agree with this, and that they are being replaced by immigrants.

 

Yea agree. I think it’s so backward and ridiculous. It’s also a useful political excuse to maintain power and culture over minorities.

 

It really is a cultural/pendulum shift from a few generations ago. Things are more sensitive now. Historic wounds are out in the open. Can't just walk around saying you want to be Tough on Crime against Super Predators or handout seeking Welfare Queens with just a wink and a nod anymore...

The roles are switched and I guess the Moral Right/Silent Majority whites aren't used to not being in the drivers seat.

I suppose it's a true test whether their ideology "transcends color" and is color blind and also whether 2nd gen+ immigrants "of color" adopt the Nativist creed White people proudly promised but generally denied under the spoken/unspoken fine print. The American Dream of "coming from nothing and rising from" actually worked for some Asians and Hispanics and they're solid Red, so who knows...

 

It’s because they’re losing in today’s economy. They should roll up their sleeves and stop playing victim.

 

Hey Dems, what should we do to this fat one, he’s a runaway?