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We have to get rid of KPJ

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by htownfan_9210, Nov 7, 2021.

  1. steddinotayto

    steddinotayto Member

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    Isn't that a bit..concerning though? You are wanting to change one of your most talented players into a role he's never been in before and you don't set standards or requirements for him to be in work outs and practices? How much effort/work is he putting into transitioning into an NBA point guard if 100% attendance is not a requirement? He hasn't done anything to get that kind of leeway imo.
     
  2. Ramo$e

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    He's not light out like Curry but he can hit some shoots. I think he has room to improve there if he can focus on that he will be fine. His passing needs work. He can get to where he wants to be no problem. He can play....I just don't think he should play point sooo much. In spurts is fine.
     
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  3. CHAMPBOY

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    I will always root for him but he is not a PG, he is a scorer. Josh Christopher is a better PG than Porter. Start Wall at PG and let Josh Christopher be the backup PG. Start Porter at SF
     
  4. Ramo$e

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    Yes, let House come off the bench.
     
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  5. Williamson

    Williamson JOSH CHRISTOPHER ONLY FAN

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    Yeah I just think it's hilarious that you guys think you understand what KPJ needs/needs to be doing better than John Lucas.

    I would have LOVED to hear that KPJ attends 100% of those practices even when he isn't required to. That would be fantastic. But I have faith that John Lucas knows what he's doing with him. A lot of you guys are ignoring the amazing progress KPJ has made this season. He was a bad defender last year. He has been a very good defender this year. That is a HUGE step forward. And it also speaks to him becoming mature, because working on defense is the least glamorous and fun thing for kids like KPJ that always dreamed of being Jordan, Kobe or Harden.

    KPJ played a phenomenal game last night. He was aggressive and confident going to the basket and it resulted in a James Harden like amount of free throws. Yes, he had 5 turnovers but 2-3 of those were because his teammates weren't ready for the pass. That's on them, not KPJ. And man, the only real defensive mistakes I am even seeing out of KPJ right now is that he still has a tendency to pout and not get back quick enough when something doesn't go his way. We knew maturity was one of his issues. We also know that's one of the easiest obstacles for a player to overcome as most young men do become more mature as they age. So I feel confident he'll break that bad habit eventually.

    It's so crazy to me to see people on here talking about outright cutting this kid. I have been thrilled with his progress. Lots of players never even attempt to develop their defensive game. KPJ has made huge strides. And I'm really just not that worried about his offense coming back around.

    Am I 100% sold on him as a point guard? Absolutely not. But there is no harm in experimenting with this ALL YEAR. Remember, the goal is not to win right now. It is to develop talent and get another top 4 pick. KPJ focusing on his court vision, ball handling and passing is only going to help him in the future regardless of what position he ultimately settles into.

    Personally, I'm less optimistic than I was last year that he could be a superstar one day. However, I am more optimistic that he'll have a long and productive career because guys who play defense are valued by coaches. And I definitely still think he could be a guy who sneaks on to 2-3 All-Star teams one day. It's wild to me that there are people here ready to give up on that for no reason. Like I could understand, even, if they were just including him in trade packages for Ben Simmons or suggesting we trade him for a pick. But waiving him? Insanity. Glad these people will never be our GM.
     
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  6. YOLO

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    Oh stop with the JC pg nonsense. that's even significantly more ridiculous that kpj at pg
     
  7. steddinotayto

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    I'll feign ignorance and ask you: Who has John Lucas developed over the course of his coaching/mentoring career, specifically improving a player's on-court skills/development? I ask because, for some reason, some on this board has elevated Lucas' reputation far beyond what I knew him as before the past season. Does he have a track record in helping players with off the court issues? Absolutely. Does he have a proven track record of developing players and helping them to become better players on the court? Educate me on what I might be missing or lacking.

    I just want to understand what has Lucas done that has made him the go-to guy for everything because for all intents and purposes if he's this good Silas shouldn't have gotten the head coaching gig over John.
     
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  8. Williamson

    Williamson JOSH CHRISTOPHER ONLY FAN

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    I mean you can google John Lucas as easily as I can. There are plenty of articles about his history of mentoring/training players. And they all lead me to believe he has a much better idea of what to do than any of these clutchfans critics.
     
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  9. javal_lon

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    For real... It's like people forgot what a point guard does... Just cause a dude gets 5 or 6 assists doesn't mean he can be a floor general... Most of these guys' assists come from last second ditch passes on the way down or from a guy heaving a lady second shot to beat the shotclock... Both are results of a score first PG iso-ing ... Christopher will be out the league trying to be a PG
     
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  10. steddinotayto

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    I mean if his history is as great and/or as extensive as you make it out to be then it would have been easy for you to name even just one player that has been helped by Lucas to improve on-court skills. Like if you ask me to name one player Chip Engelland has helped in his career I can say Tony Parker. If you ask me about Jack Sikma I could offer up Clint Capela. And I never claimed to know more than Lucas but that also doesn't mean I can't question whether or not his methods are working given the returns we've seen 11 games into the season. I thought I was actually going about it in a more thought-out manner vs the knee-jerk posts seen around here but I guess it doesn't matter what approach I take.
     
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    Agreed. The turnovers are really sticking out like a sore thumb, but there are some serious positives to be seen if you aren’t distracted by all the turnovers.

    The sample is growing. Still not significant, but this trend has been here all season.

    Net Rating

    Green AND Porter(~288 minutes) : -11.9
    Green NO Porter(~72 minutes) : -21.9
    Porter NO Green(~62 minutes) : +7.5

    Good things are happening for the team when Porter is out there without Green. Our offense and defense are really, really good in these minutes. I agree this experiment needs to last this entire season, but early signs have not been good for the Porter/Green pairing. Killer 6th man might be the role for one of these two guys in the future.
     
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  12. snowconeman22

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    Nah . His value is very low . We already picked up his option . If better players emerge then test his ego and move him to the bench .

    he’s erratic but the talent is real . He looks a little banged up right now too . I don’t think he’s going to be the greatest PG , but he can be a great bench player .

    If he can learn to control himself for 25 mpg his ceiling is a top 30 player

    the manu/harden is there ... he just needs to mature more
     
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    i was encouraged by his last night play...imho he needs to stop 'playmaking' and focus on scoring, particularly attacking the rim.... needs to add a midrange it will unlock a lot of things for him
     
  14. Captain Hook

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    Agreed. He needs to stop trying to be something he is not.
     
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  15. Williamson

    Williamson JOSH CHRISTOPHER ONLY FAN

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    Well Chip England is a shooting coach. So if his guys improve their shooting it's easy to give Chip credit. Jack Sikma works on post moves with big guys. That's easy to point to as well. John Lucas is a trainer in a much broader sense. He helps them develop virtually every aspect of their game and he also mentors guys. But it's funny that you mention Sikma and Capela, because Lucas was training Capela too.

    "But it’s the less-established players who really lean on Lucas for support. Clint Capela grew from a late first-round pick to a $90 million man after countless hours of work with Lucas. Isaiah Hartenstein, Gary Clark and Danuel House went from unknowns to NBA rotation players in recent years under Lucas’s tutelage. " - https://www.si.com/nba/2021/02/08/john-lucas-rockets-45-year-career

    "He also worked to develop dozens of players before they were drafted, including high schoolers Kobe Bryant and LeBron James." - https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id...houston-rockets-classes-john-lucas-university

    also, everybody should go re-read this piece on nba.com. It's a beautiful piece about Lucan and Porter Jr.

    https://www.nba.com/news/the-man-tasked-with-getting-kevin-porter-jr-on-the-right-track
     
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  16. BallaDoc

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    Agreed with attacking the rim. I think he has a midrange shot though. It’s more reliable than his 3 ball. It’s why I’m so confused with his Ft percentage lol.
     
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  17. MystikArkitect

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    KPJ off the bench would be fantastic.
     
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    Most beautiful thing I’ve ever read on this site

    Guys KPJ tweeted last night that old scoot was activated. So everybody chill
     
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  19. D-rock

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    THIS^^^&&

    This truth will be lost on the fanboys unfortunately.

    KPJ and Wood are Satan incarnate because someone has to be blamed for Green underperforming.

    For Pete's sake, these posters are even demanding Silas play Green or JC (lol) at starting PG.

    WtF????
     
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  20. varughese.arun

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    KPJ off the bench and pair a actual PG Green
     
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