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Who is John Durham

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Sep 14, 2020.

  1. basso

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    a house of cards, a foundation built on quicksand, both of which are now collapsing.

    cling to your semantic differentiations if it makes you feel better.

    trump is a crook and should never have been president.

    he was also railroaded.

    we hold both these truths to be self-evident.

    #letsgobrandon.
     
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  2. larsv8

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    You're not making any sense.

    Steele's assignment was to go and talk to people and basically get the word on the street about Trump. His job was not to verify it or investigate its accuracy.

    It was simply opposition research.

    So again, what is the hoax exactly?
     
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  3. Gioan Baotixita

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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax

    So how long are you going to keep this hoax alive?
     
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    You don't seem to understand what an intelligence dossier is. The more you comment, the more that is apparent. The fact that you haven't bothered to do minimal research into it, but keep trying to comment and make a point about it, makes your comments and opinions less weighty rather than moreso.

    There are absolutely points to be made regarding the Steele Dossier. Some that would point to Trump having unfair charges and press levied against him. But making ignorant claims about the Steele Dossier like you have, which don't even make sense and then trying to make witicisms based on your lack of understanding about what an intelligence dossier actually is, won't help you make a case.
     
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    Getting closer but not quite there, yet.
     
  7. dobro1229

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    Any other president and this would have been THE scandal of the century and you know this.

    Can you imagine if it came out tomorrow that:

    -Iran attacked our election in 2020
    -Biden had a letter of intent in 2019 and early 2020 to fund a private equity venture negotiated directly with the Iranian government.
    -Biden in his first year was working overtime to relieve sanctions on Iran without pre-conditions.

    And no, it has been proven Trump tower Moscow was not just “semantics”. Ivanka herself was already designing and picking out drapes and whatnot. This would have been the biggest deal dollar wise Trump had done yet. Not something they would have just had a low level admin handling that Trump wasn’t involved in.

    Yes… that alone would have been impeachable with any other president as it should be. We should set a standard for our presidents not having business entanglements that can be leveraged against them. Not a small thing to just ho hum about, and Republicans should realize that Trump forever has lowered the bar FOR DEMOCRATS too. They just think that they can be hypocrites and have different standards for a Democrat but I think they are wrong. You guys have forever lowered the bar.
     
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    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-...sier-fbi-durham-11636152567?mod=hp_opin_pos_1

    Durham Unravels the Russia Case
    His indictments reveal facts embarrassing to former special counsel Robert Mueller and the press.

    By The Editorial Board
    Nov. 5, 2021 6:58 pm ET

    Special counsel John Durham’s latest indictment is an important step in unraveling what really happened in the long tale of false Russia-collusion allegations against the 2016 Trump presidential campaign. The facts in the indictment add to the evidence that this was from first to last a dirty trick by Hillary Clinton's campaign—and that the media were its gullible promoters.

    Mr. Durham this week indicted Igor Danchenko, a Russian national who worked at the Brookings Institution in Washington and who was the main source for Christopher Steele’s dossier claiming Donald Trump was in secret cahoots with Russia. The FBI interviewed Mr. Danchenko in 2017 as part of its investigation of the dossier, and the indictment claims Mr. Danchenko lied repeatedly, depriving the FBI of crucial information. (Mr. Danchenko’s lawyer has indicated his client will plead not guilty.)

    Mostly notably, the Russian hid the extent that he was working with a Democratic public-relations executive with ties to Hillary Clinton. Press reports have identified the executive as Charles Dolan, a Clinton associate who in 2016 was actively working to make Hillary the President. The indictment suggests Mr. Dolan was behind several of the salacious and derogatory claims about Mr. Trump that Mr. Danchenko fed to Mr. Steele. Mr. Dolan’s attorney told the New York Times that his client could not comment on an ongoing case.

    The purpose was to present the FBI with oppo-research that masqueraded as “intelligence,” and it worked. Mrs. Clinton lost the election, but the Russia tale sabotaged an incoming President with relentless media assaults and a special counsel investigation. The country spent years obsessing over the Trump conspiracy that didn’t exist—rather than the Clinton conspiracy that did.

    This Durham indictment reads like a story with more to come, but some lessons are already clear. One question is why the country is only now learning these facts. The Durham indictments treat the FBI as the duped party, but the record shows former FBI director James Comey and his investigators knew from the summer of 2016 that Clinton campaign fingerprints were all over the dossier.

    A transcript in the Danchenko indictment suggests that FBI officials knew Mr. Danchenko was lying in the 2017 interviews. But they did nothing to blow the whistle, nor to tell the public or Congress everything they had learned about the origins of the Russia collusion tale.

    The Durham prosecutions also speak poorly of former special counsel Robert Mueller. Mr. Mueller’s job was to learn the facts about the collusion allegations, and he had access to everything that the FBI had learned. Yet the Mueller team, led by Democratic partisan Andrew Weissmann, never told the public the Clinton side of the story.

    The media also has a lot to answer for. In its conformist disdain for Mr. Trump, the Washington press corps with rare exceptions pursued the Russia collusion story with partisan blinders. They gave each other awards for stories that in retrospect amounted to nothing or, worse, misinformation. Anyone who raised doubts about this narrative, even as the facts mounted against it, was deemed a “Trump enabler.”

    The Washington Post this week offered a first sign of media self-reflection, noting the Durham indictments “cast new uncertainty on some past reporting on the dossier by news organizations,” including its own. Yes they do.

    Former Attorney General Bill Barr, who was also vilified by the press, deserves credit for giving Mr. Durham the status of a special counsel to protect his investigation after the change in administrations. Mr. Durham is telling a story that many, if not most, in Washington would prefer to stay hidden. All the more reason for him to keep telling the public the facts, and holding people accountable.

    Appeared in the November 6, 2021, print edition.
     
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    What plot was exposed?

    Please explain in detail.
     
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    Wow... a right wing op-ed. Your facebook feed is still working...
     
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    by the way, raheem kassam is an even bigger right wing extremist loon than melanie phillips. You really should watch who you cite... people may think you are a right wing extremist loon too!
     
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  13. basso

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    the times of london is an extremist outlet?
     
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    SMH, it is in the very post your replied to...

    I was very clear but I can see why you would disingenuously misdirect my criticism to the newspaper.
     
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    Nothing disputes the Mueller Report......

    Trump and his campaign took information from Russian backed individuals, lied about it, and deleted communications.
     
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    This would be damming if the Steele Dossier was the only thing out there about Trump’s relationship with the Russians and the 2016 campaign. There’s a 448 page report out there that actually has relatively little from the Steele Dossier documenting that bit of history for any who care to read it..
     
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    Isn’t he the guy that talks with puppets
     
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    The Washington Post corrects, removes parts of two stories regarding the Steele dossier

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...c9b770-43d5-11ec-a88e-2aa4632af69b_story.html

    excerpt:

    The Post’s decision to edit and repost the Millian stories is highly unusual in the news industry.

    Mainstream publications often add corrections to published stories when credible new information emerges. Some publishers also enable readers to petition them to remove unflattering stories from their websites, a once-controversial practice that has gained more acceptance in the digital era, when articles can remain accessible online for years.

    But it’s rare for a publication to make wholesale changes after publication and to republish the edited story, especially more than four years afterward.

    “No such case comes immediately or specifically to mind, at least no historical case that stirred lasting controversy,” said W. Joseph Campbell, a professor and journalism historian at American University.
     
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  20. dobro1229

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    In this guys own op ed:

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    I’m no CNN only fan (don’t watch it. Haven’t switched over in at least a year), but they are right here to correct the record that outlets have never reported on the dossier the way the right makes it seem. The right wants it’s fans to believe there is no investigative fact finding both in journalism and law enforcement.

    I don’t know how many times is needs to said that the dossier is a collection of rumors or intelligence. From that intelligence you then investigate.

    That’s how the world works people. I claim my Neigbor is flinging their dog sh$t over the yard. The local sheriff comes by and finds that my Neigbor has a pet chimpanzee illegally. The Neigbor gets fined for illegally owning a zoo animal. Was it accurate that my owner was flinging dog poo in my backyard?? Should the story on my Neigborhood Facebook page be that Dobro is a horrible Neigbor who needs to be kicked out of the Neighborhood for making false accusations or should it be about the illegal zoo animals??

    That’s basically the Dossier misinformation tactic that the right and its online cart pushers attempt 24/7. Anything to distract and deflect.
     

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