Thanks NYK. I always value your NY biased post. The refs abuse Steve. ------------------ Reporter asks "How close were you to the victim?" Shorty says,"Real close until the roofies wore off. Then she woke up talking about pressing charges, so I took my tongue out of her ass and left." Shorty - Marlon Wayans "Scary Movie" Go Rockets!!! SS
Duncan has 4 inches on Griffin, there's no way he's going to play as good as Duncan, ever. 7 foot 1 Centers don't need to show emotion (Duncan will be a center once he gets out of SA or Robinson retires). They have a height advantage and can dominate on that alone if they set their mind to it. Height has nothing to do with heart. To say that centers can dominate without displaying emotion but that forwards can't is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. It's all about the size of your heart. Some people show it by screaming in joy, anguish, etc., and some people don't. But just because you don't display your emotion and fire to the world doesn't mean it's not there, and last I checked the emotion you display doesn't make you a better or worse basketball player. KG is taller than Duncan and shows a lot more emotion, but if I had to bet, most NBA GM's would take Duncan before they would Garnett. ------------------ EDDIE, EDDIE, EDDIE!!! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! The Mo Taylor Fan Site
Garnett is better than Duncan? OK... If he's so much better, why doesn't he have a good back to the basket game? I'm not the biggest Webber fan around, as you know, but I would still take him before I would Garnett. Also, why can't he get a ring like Duncan, or even a playoff series win? How about just extending a series to 5? Duncan's teammates aren't all that much better than Garnett's. Robinson, Derek Anderson, etc. vs. Terrell Brandon, Wally Szczerbiak, Laphonso Ellis, etc.? Advantage San Antonio, but it's certainly not a huge advantage. ------------------ EDDIE, EDDIE, EDDIE!!! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! The Mo Taylor Fan Site [This message has been edited by The Cat (edited July 03, 2001).]
Garnett has a better jump shot, better handle, and is a better passer. Oh yeah and he's a freak of nature. I'd rather have Garnett. Garnett 7' Duncan 7'1"...Garnett can play 3 positions, maybe 4. Duncan can play 2. You can't compare the T'Wolves team to the Spurs. They have Duncan AND Robinson, the T'Wolves have Garnett and....Garrett? When the Twin Towers have that big of an advantage they'll dominate of course. The teams are built so differently it's hard to compare them, but the Spurs team is built like a machine. Pass it in to Duncan or Robinson and kick it out for the three. You'll see it over and over and over.... The one thing that makes me mad with comparing players is that they bring rings into the argument. Rings have nothing to do with how good a player is. It's a team game and teams win championships, not players. Anyway back to the topic, emotion has a lot to do with the game. If Griffin comes out on a mean streak, the numbers I have posted will be off. He'll get better numbers than that if he's bouncing off the walls before games. The games that he has shown emotion in that I have seen he was getting double doubles, 7 blocks or so, and absolutely dominating. You could tell he was a force on the court. Other games (especially after the Ty Shine incident), he was playing so mellow that he would get maybe 16 points 7 boards and 2 blocks. When Griffin is active, showing some emotion, and looking fired up he's virtually a defensive monster. Just kidding with the Mr. 33 T's....he shouldn't talk sh*t to Van Gundy though, Latrell will choke Steve to death. ------------------ ZeColmeia on stealing: "I did not steal anything. Ive used some of clutchcity player profiles when I first created the draft profile page." [This message has been edited by NYKRule (edited July 03, 2001).]
Garnett has a better jump shot, better handle, and is a better passer. Oh yeah and he's a freak of nature. I'd rather have Garnett. Garnett 7' Duncan 7'1"...Garnett can play 3 positions, maybe 4. Duncan can play 2. Well, Duncan is listed at 7'0, and Garnett is rumored to be as tall as 7'2, which is why I said that about being taller. Gerald Wallace had some freakish attributes too in this draft, do you think he'll be a potential star? Also, Garnett cannot play the 2, and someone as skinny as him would get beaten up big time at the 5. I'll give you the better handle part, but not by much. I probably like Duncan's passing and jumper more than Garnett's, and his post moves are miles ahead. Freakish athletes like Garnett get you on Sportscenter. Good athletes with all the fundamentals like Duncan get you rings. ------------------ EDDIE, EDDIE, EDDIE!!! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! The Mo Taylor Fan Site
Gerald Wallace isn't a freak compared to Garnett. Plus, Garnett can go and play center when for example, the Rockets have Mo Taylor at Center. It won't be for that long, but he has the ability to play it. Also, Garnett is a better passer. He can find the open man. That's why he gets a lot of triple doubles. Duncan just kicks the ball out on double teams. I guess Malone and Stockton both don't have good fundamentals because they don't have any rings....see I told you don't bring rings into an argument about players. Teams win rings, players have to cooperate as a team. The Spurs are a way better team than the T'Wolves. ------------------ ZeColmeia on stealing: "I did not steal anything. Ive used some of clutchcity player profiles when I first created the draft profile page."
I gotta go with The Cat. K.G. is amazing and you could hardly go wrong with either, but given the choice between the two, I would take Duncan. ------------------
I don't see why Blinebury has such bum expectations for Ed Griff. Comparing him to Kobe is nonsense as they have totally different games and Kobe was more raw then than Griffin is now. Also, I think looking at Lamar Odom(who is pretty similar to Griffin)'s rookie year will give us more a gauge of what Eddie can do. Lamar also had a year of college and was about 20 his rookie year. He averaged 16.6 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 4.2 apg, and 1.25 bpg. Of course, Lamar was on a weaker team, so knocking maybe a couple points off that, and adding a block or two(because of Griff's excellence in that field) would be more accurate. ------------------ Mmm Queso.
Well, everyone has been talking about how good a rebounder Griffin is supposed to be for his position. 6.5 boards is not that good (sorry Mo). He may be 19, but he's had a year of college, unlike Garnett and Kobe. 11-6.5-3 will be "bust" numbers in my opinion. We practically got those stats from Shandon back in 99-00. I'd be happy with 15-9.5-4 ------------------ Protrolls.com! "I want to be like Olajon." -Sagana Diop has the right idea...
11-6.5-3 will be "bust" numbers in my opinion. We practically got those statsfrom Shandon back in 99-00. Please don't take this the wrong way-- I know you know your stuff, but you're showing your ignorance on the draft. If you expect the numbers you stated below, then I suppose you'll think of every top pick this year as a bust. It doesn't matter how talented the kid is-- he is 19 years old. He played in one year of college. No matter how talented you are, going to the NBA is a huge leap, and the Rockets won't rush him into things I wouldn't believe. I think somewhere around 12-13 pts, 7-9 rebounds is pretty reasonable if he gets 30 minutes per game. ------------------ EDDIE, EDDIE, EDDIE!!! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! The Mo Taylor Fan Site
You just contradicted yourself, first you site Cato as an example, then you say that Duncan dominates on height advantage alone if they put their mind to it. Then why doesn't Shawn Bradley dominate, he tries really hard. On another note, you are one of the few people that thinks that KG is better than TD. Duncan's team has dominated Garnett's team in the playoffs the past few years. True Duncan had DRob in '99, and Drob and DA this year, but Garnett had a good Szcerbiak this year and Brandon, and had Brandon in '99. He should at least come closer than a being blown out a couple of times, with one victory. Don't get me wrong, Garnett is an unbelievable player, but rarely is he considered in the top 3 players in the NBA. Duncan is all the time. Garnett has to get more of a take over mentality to get to the next level. He has all the tools to be the best player in the NBA, he just has to get the right mentality. ------------------ "I look kind of dumpy. Look at my butt. And what kind of shoes do they have me wearing? At least they got the chinstrap beard right." -Kevin Garnett on the KG bobblehead dolls during KG bobblehead doll night at the Target Center [This message has been edited by LiLStevie3 (edited July 03, 2001).] [This message has been edited by LiLStevie3 (edited July 03, 2001).]
bunch of hypocrite wussies. 3 years ago, you einsteins said the rockets were a better team than the lakers were. now, you say the lakers were a better team than this year's rockets. which is it, wussies? ------------------
bunch of hypocrite wussies. 3 years ago, you einsteins said the rockets were a better team than the lakers were. now, you say the lakers were a better team than this year's rockets. which is it, wussies? Umm, the Rockets 3 years ago, and the Rockets now are two totally different teams, that's why. ------------------ "Win if you can, lose if you must but always cheat!" - Jesse Ventura [This message has been edited by RocksMillenium (edited July 03, 2001).]
Two points: 1. Blinebury's argument that Cato sets the pay scale is seriously off. Would this mean that the Nets have to pay anyone more than Jim McIlvane? What about the Mavs and Juwon Howard? Someone's actual value isn't determined by a flawed assessment of value. Using reverse logic... Cuttino's only getting 4.5 million next year... Dream's not going to be worth as much, so shouldn't he make LESS? Crappy reasoning. 2. I agree with Puedflor. Griffin had one of the best freshman years EVER by any player. There isn't any reason to think he's not ready to play well. Plenty of other college freshmen have stopped in and performed. BTW, why do so many people assume that Griffin won't be starting? Who's going to start instead... Walt Williams? Puh-lease. Griffin is better than that. ------------------ Clutchcity.net... source for all your Rockets, Astros, political, music, humor, and Gordita news. [This message has been edited by haven (edited July 03, 2001).]
Huh, here I was thinking 6'10'' SFs with 7'5'' wingspans, and quick leaping ability had a physical advantage. ------------------ "I think alot of people find Cato's game to be very offensive." -aelliott, comparing the offensive skills of Kelvin Cato and Michael Olowokandi
You forgot one (1) thing...he doesn't weigh a lot. ------------------ ZeColmeia on stealing: "I did not steal anything. Ive used some of clutchcity player profiles when I first created the draft profile page."
How do you know NY? I'm pretty sure he'll put on some weight during the offseason since he knows what position he will play. ------------------ "Win if you can, lose if you must but always cheat!" - Jesse Ventura
if griffin doesn't start then that would suck. walt williams is a joke. griffin needs to start day 1 to reassure those few of us who think 3 first round picks could get a lot more than the most overhyped "tweener" in recent memory. ------------------
