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Case for Trading Up to get Alperen Sengun

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Medicine N Music, Jul 3, 2021.

  1. Sengun

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    He'll be a very valuable player once he gets confident and starts shooting and gains 10-15 pounds. I have no worries about him and I trust him. Skills he has now are kind that innate and you can't develop this skills after born. So, we are lucky because he has these natural skills. On the other hand, what he doesn't have, he can improve by working very well. It will be enjoyable to follow his development over the next few years.
     
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    Actually i like that hes not shooting it... he doesnt have a jumper...and hes doing just fine without it...better than anyone on the rockets who have one
     
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  5. Sengun

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    "HeLLo, i Am A FaT-aSS AmEriCaN NbA sCouT aT noWhErE aNd i CaN sAy tHaT, SeNguN cAn'T dEfEnD, hE iS sO sMaLL aNd sLoW, hE iS BaD."

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  6. Houston77

    Houston77 COOKIES AND CAKE, MY TEAM BAKED!
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    Nice to see our rooks near the top of both those axes.
     
  7. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
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    I think it is way too early for these type of stats to be useful unless you are suggesting that reality is Sengun is a horrible player because his offensive liabilities significantly outweigh how well he plays defense.
     
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  8. Nook

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    I really like Sengun but he doesn't have a ceiling anywhere close to either Jokic or Doncic.
     
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  9. Sengun

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    Yes, he is a horrible on offense. How many years do you need to have been watching basketball in order to make this determination?
     
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    yep, his ceiling is higher
     
  11. i3artow i3aller

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    Hopefully he's binging all the Jokic tape there is.
    We need Al-P slinging and flinging that pumpkin all over the court.
     
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  12. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
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    You presented data as reality. That is your opinion, not mine. Either say the data you presented is too small a sample size or accept the reality that Sengun is a bad offensive player based on the data you presented as reality.
     
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  13. Sengun

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    Based on that data, I'm not saying that his defense is "great" and that he will get DPOY in the future. It's just that everyone has seen that in all the games he's played since the Summer League, his defense isn't as bad as advertised, and this data supports this idea. That is all. It's not that hard to understand.

    On the other hand, no offense, but it might be better for you to look at things a little more rationally. I don't expect any more offensive contribution from a player who averages 19 minutes on the court, using only 4.7 balls per game. Especially in a team that does not have any offensive plan, does not know how to turn the ball, has a coach obsessed with the 5 out game plan, and the player who gets the ball tries to shoot always. I definitely do not expect anything better from him.
     
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  14. MorningZippo

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    That chart says he's the 5th worse rook in terms of adding points. That makes no sense. What kind of metric is this?
     
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    "As previously mentioned, unathletic players can survive in the NBA and even earn prominent roles.

    If Jokic can deliver accurate shooting and make the right plays when the ball is in his hands, he could be a poor-man's Diaw and a long-range threat like Antic. Jokic would probably be the fourth or fifth scoring option when he's in the game, but all that matters is whether he plays efficiently.

    Unfortunately, his defense will likely prevent him from ever playing 30-plus minutes or starting. However, there's no shame in being a respectable reserve on a winning team in the future."

    Neither did Jokic.
     
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  16. Sengun

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    I think they may not have included assists for the offensive part on this chart. Sengun's turnovers are probably the most important thing pulling him down for the offensive part on this chart.
     
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    I always respect your takes, but if you compare Jokic's first games/first season to what we are seeing from Sengun, and given Sengun's previous success in a competitive European league, and the fact that Sengun is a year younger than Jokic was in his first season, I think it is at the very least too early to make such a definitive statement.

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    I predict that - if he gets 30+ minutes - Alpi will have a 20-10 game (with more blocks and steals than Jokic) in one of his first 20 games as well.
     
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  18. Rockets4Life13

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    Yup. Which is why statements like „player XY will never be as good as player Z“ will always be a bad take.
     
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  19. topfive

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    Self-appraisal?
     
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  20. CXbby

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    Jokic is an MVP and top 10 player in the league, I’m not going to blame anyone for saying Sengun won’t be that good, no matter how high I’m on him, because odds are simply he won’t be that good, odds are no one will besides a handful of generational players. With that said, I have never seen Jokic play defense like Sengun has just in the few games we have seen. And that’s supposed to be his biggest weakness.
     

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