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The state of the democratic party

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Feb 27, 2021.

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    Like it or not, inflation has traditionally been blamed on the party in power. It's as simple as that.
     
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    Useless as fk, but it's still better than whatever fkery the republicans do when they r in power.
     
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    Putting this in both states as neither have done what needs to be done to fix this issue.
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    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    So 1% as many as undocumented Mexicans? Coming from a country that has a stronger social safety net if they stayed in Canada? Gee, I guess it must be racism that causes the difference in coverage and attitude about the two groups.
     
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    The frequent argument we hear is that this is that this country welcomes immigrants that come here legally and about enforcing our laws. Well these Canadians are here illegally as much as one's coming from Mexico. So shouldn't people be concerned about "illegal immigrants' because they are here are illegally no matter which country they are from?
     
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    it's actually possible to put your important picture posts all in one. See!
     
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    That's an aspirational belief, but not how policy has been in country for most of its years. If the majority or their representatives choose to selectively enforce laws or write unfair laws or prioritize races or countries in immigration enforcement, well that's super uncool, but the right of a sovereign nation. Spreading the fact of the hypocrisy is a logical argument, but doesn't lessen the legal power of government to enforce immoral values.
     
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    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    The infographic doesn't talk about how people are in favor of illegal Canadian immigration, it is about how there is a lack of awareness of the number of Canadian illegal immigrants and that it is driven by a lack of cops on horseback, militarized presence, and calls for a wall at the Canadian border. Do you not think it is reasonable to spend less on immigration enforcement measures when you are dealing with 1% of the volume? Do you not think having 1% of the volume would reasonably lead to say, 1% of the awareness? People talk a lot more about gun crime than crossbow crime. That doesn't mean they are in favor of crossbow killings, or that it is because more white people use crossbows or whatever, it just is not the same magnitude of problem.
     
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    Visa overstay is signf, but because they come in legally then overstay, no one seems to care that much. At least it doesn't get the attention that the southern border gets even though visa overstay was 2x border crossing between 2016-2006. There has been an uptick in border crossing recently in 2020 and 2021, so the number is probably different now, but the point remains that the trend before recently was much more visa overstays than border crossing, during which time the media focused almost all of its anti-immigration messages on the southern border.

    I'm guessing there are other reasons. People who overstay their visas probably aren't viewed in the same way - that they are likely able to support themselves and not become a burden on the system, that they are likely not criminals, that they are easier to "melt" into American culture, ... But that's people's perception based on media, certain talk shows, and certain high profile character demonization of particular groups of immigration. Reality is probably very different.

    Visa overstays
    2019 - 676k
    2018 - 667k
    2017 - 607k
    2016 - 739k
    2015 - 527k

    Entry/Exit Overstay Report | Homeland Security (dhs.gov)

    The Real Immigration Crisis: People Overstaying Their Visas - The Atlantic

    US Undocumented Population Continued to Fall from 2016 to 2017, and Visa Overstays Significantly Exceeded Illegal Crossings for the Seventh Consecutive Year - The Center for Migration Studies of New York (CMS) (cmsny.org)
     
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    You do know that learning about homosexuality won’t make you gay. If you’re afraid it will…
     
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    So in other words not all illegal immigration is the same.
     
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    There are around 50,000 Irish citizens in the US illegally with nearly all from overstaying visas. There seems little concern about them even though the previous Irish PM had raised the issue with Trump about helping those immigrants and immigrants in general.
     
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    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    In other words, if the same problem is happening 100 times as often in one place as another, the focus will be on where it is happening 100 times as often. There are murders in Chicago and in Beverly Hills, but we don't devote the same resources to addressing murder in Beverley Hills as we do in Chicago, because in 2019 there was one murder in Beverley Hills and there were 490 murders in Chicago. No one thinks the murders that happen in Beverley Hills are not as bad or somehow a different offense than the ones in Chicago, it just happens much less.
     

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