Update:Comedy > Politics: Dave Chappelle: unfunny SNL writers jealousy the king is hosting again

Sorry if you took it as that being directed at you. Didn't mean it that way.

 

Exactly. Let's remember the true value here and not let some right wing bigots laughing for the wrong reasons trigger us into retreating to our "sides" - because there are no sides. Chappelle is the one with empathy here, not the snowflakes who take their superficial identities so seriously that they actually cause the same damage as the bigots they abhor.

Let's remember what's important: loving human beings. Chappelle doesn't hate the trans community any more than the white community, the Jewish community, the black community, or any other community about which he makes jokes. In fact, you can easily make the argument that to laugh about one group and not the other is actually a sign of bigotry.

Empathy goes both ways.

 

Dave's hypocrisy just rubs me the wrong way. He quit his comedy central show because he saw how mostly just white people laughing at his skits about black culture. He also makes fun of people like Candace Owens and the phenomenon of racist white people finding the few black people who regurgitate their views as a shield for their racism.

It shows a lack of empathy.

 

A lot of people don't get Chapelle. He didn't have a problem with whites laughing at his skits about black culture, he had a problem about people laughing at black culture overall and picking up that they looked down upon it.

If you notice the difference between old Chapelle and new Chapelle - you will see that before he focused mostly on black culture, and now he makes fun of EVERYONE, including blacks. His experiment makes sense as a comedian as he is challenging the idea that comedians can only make fun of their own kind. He makes fun of whites, Jews, gays, trans, etc. And yes there is a lot of commentary that is political in nature.

I see nothing wrong with him pointing out that DaBaby gets canceled for making remarks offensive to the LGBTQ community but not for killing a black man at a Walmart. He's not defending DaBaby, he's attacking hypocrisy.

Anyone who doesn't see that lacks empathy and its ridiculous to call for a canceling of his show.

We're not going to end bigotry by canceling people's shows we disagree with. Call people out - sure. Criticize. Sure. But to say a show should be pulled because its offensive to me is ridiculous and counterproductive.

 

No where did I suggest canceling him. Im just expressing what I find odd here.

I don't know much about the DaBaby situation but wasn't it out of self-defense? Is Chappelle suggesting that there would be outrage if it was a white person DaBaby killed?

 

How do you claim self-defense in a Walmart shopping for produce? Like some 19 year old is going to randomly try to kill your or mug you? He got away with it because there wasn't any witnesses.

Chapelle is just saying why are getting up in a heave because a man insulted a group of people but not because he killed a 19 year old in the produce section? That's it.

Was it wrong for him to insult gays and transgender people? Chapelle said it was. @tinman says he was joking obviously. Who knows, I don't. Madonna has her right to write about what she wants of course. But maybe people should say cancel DaBaby when the worst he did was insult people, or maybe cancel because he shot and killed a 19 year old.

I get what Chapelle is doing. It amazes me how much the press is jumping at him for making jokes at the LGBTQ community but never jumped on him for making fun of blacks.

 

One of the rare instances I am in agreement with you.

 

New Chapelle kinda swole.

 

Alright, I gotta say, he doesn't sound like he is joking. And looking at what he said afterwards - he never said he was joking. Look maybe he was, but the way he said that is pretty f'd up.

I still don't think canceling him is the way to go. Rather, what happened was great - he engaged with LGBTQ groups, listened intently to many people's story, and admitted he was wrong.

Seems his apology was sincere. And I think people should give him a chance to change and move on.

 

So in your hypothetical situation where you were trans/gay and walked out of the show; it was OK for you to laugh at the jokes about all those other types of people, but not jokes about yourself? Doesn't that hypothetically make you a hypocrite and a bigot yourself? Doesn't it immediately call into question why you're laughing in the first place?

For the record, this is all academic. I'm not actually calling you a bigot.

 

Do you think most people laughing at his trans jokes are laughing because they're transphopic?

 

We all know comedy either via stand up, movies, or jokes with friends. We all have the trigger in our brains when we think and say “that was wrong man.” For me a big tick for that is when I feel like the subject of the joke has no agency in the joke. There needs to be trust between the joke teller and the receiver too.

This seems like a lot of joke rules but we all make these snap judgements subconsciously… that is if you’re someone with a moral compass.

If an LGBT person was watching a comedy show and one of the jokes was from a white comedian with no background in the native American community joking about the trail of tears with native Americans in a distasteful way, I’m sure there would be LGBT people in the crowd that would walk out.

This is all just too over complicated though. We all know subconsciously when a joke punches down and/or is bigoted. To me though the worst thing Chappelle is doing is the b****ing about cancel culture while continuing to push more and more jokes that he knows are getting the “dude that’s not right” response. Chappelle should be above just being a shock jock comedian. He’s too good to need to do that.