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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Doctor Robert, Sep 26, 2021.

  1. Possum

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    You talk a lot of macho **** and everyone knows what that means.
     
  2. SamFisher

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    That I'm not a coward afraid of getting a shot that even small children aren't afraid of - but you are
     
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  3. Possum

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    How the fk do know? NO ONE knows the long term affects. This vaccine did not go through the same channels as past vaccines. It’s being rushed for political reasons. And it’s it’s not a regular vaccine. It’s new mnra technology.
     
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  4. Rashmon

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    What does your vast research tell you about the fact that unvaccinated folks are 11 more times likely to die of Covid than vaccinated folks?

    Coincidence? Statistical anomaly? Aberration?
     
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  5. Garner

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    So, you’re afraid of the long term affects of a COVID vax more than you are concerned with the further contributing to the 650,000+ people who have died from COVID?
     
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  6. CVcrew

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    Why do the vaccinated care though? If the vaccine works, why are you concerned about someone who chooses not to get it? You’re protected because it works. I still have yet to understand this…
     
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  7. Rashmon

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    Because it delays the end of the pandemic for everyone. Otherwise, I'm glad Darwin was right.
     
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    If he doesn't want to get vaccinated. He doesn't have to get vaccinated. I just hope his job and everyone else is at least mandating regular weekly tests and social distancing.
    Also if they do end up getting Covid to not waste a hospital bed. Just sit in the house no matter how bad it sucks and go through it at home.
    The hospitals are going through enough!
    Can't save everyone. Eventually the world will be like the NBA. The vaxxed will get certain privileges. The unvaxxed will be forced to stay at home and be shunned by all. It will happen sooner than later.
     
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  9. Garner

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    this is such a dumb talking point. Do you not understand how dumb you have to be, to not know the answer to this question? You think this brain buster is knocking us off our heels, smooth brain?
     
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    Screenshot_20210930-223748.png

    This is now. Forget the past.
     
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  11. lkrockets

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    We are parents of children who can't get vaxxed, for one. We have loved ones who are immunocompromised, for another. A third reason is we can't do any of the stuff we want to do with our lives because we can't get the numbers low enough to make it safe.
     
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  12. Possum

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    What about people who have natural antibodies? Do they need to be vaccinated too? What about the delta variant? Who’s at higher risk of death from the dominant delta variant?

    Did you know public health England just did a study?



    you might want to take a look at that.
     
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  13. lkrockets

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    Good god, try to disguise the fact that you are randomly googling **** a little better. That's not a "study," it's one of a number of updates on variants that the English health department tracks. And it's from June. What on earth is your point?
     
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  14. ThatBoyNick

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    This thread is spicy
     
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  15. Doctor Robert

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    The vaccine was created fast, but wasn't rushed. mRNA technology has been in development for decades, and researchers knew how to target the spike protein based on a large amount of research was done after the 2003 SARS pandemic. For the development of the specific vaccines we have, production of the vaccines, and trials were done in parallel rather than separately, so that shortened the timelines specifically. As for results, now the world population has been administered approximately 6 billion doses, so adverse affects have been extremely well documented.
    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-design.html

    The vaccine isn't experimental. Pfizer's vaccine was approved by the FDA for normal use on August 23, 2021.
    https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

    People want the unvaccinated to take the vaccine because it reduces transmission. No, the vaccine doesn't reduce transmission and breakthrough cases to ZERO. And unfortunately, those who are vaccinated, but get a breakthrough case, can carry a high viral load that makes them very contagious. However, the chance of getting infected in the first place is much lower. Vaccine efficacy for the Delta variant is still over 60%. By comparison, Polio was completely wiped out with a vaccine that had the same efficacy.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-delta-can-match-virus-levels-of-unvaccinated

    People also want the unvaccinated to take the vaccine because the unvaccinated are using up all of the hospital beds, preventing everyone else from getting the health care they need. Covid is also putting insane stress on the entire medical profession. This is incredibly well documented. Stories come out daily on this. I'm thankful no one in my family has died of Coronavirus, but I myself have several medical conditions that could put me in the hospital if something goes wrong, and my personal doctor told me, "Take care of yourself. Whatever you do, don't go to the hospital." My mom had to have surgery during the pandemic, and was luckily able to get it. It was during the Delta surge and many surgeries were being cancelled at the time. The hospital told her they would call her the morning of the surgery to let her know if they would cancel it. Otherwise, she can't walk because she needed a knee replacement.
    https://www.statnews.com/2021/09/27/covid-19-burnout-pushing-young-physicians-out-of-medicine/
    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...ere-icu-hospitalizations-stayed-high-n1280318
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/texas-covid-embalmers-patrick-huey_n_612feb0be4b0aac9c012139c

    Both the vaccinated and unvaccinated should be afraid. This isn't a chest-bumping contest. Coronavirus isn't a boogieman. Coronavirus has killed 696,000 Americans. That is more Americans than any war in our country's history.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war

    You should take the vaccine. You'll likely live a longer, healthier life. Here is detailed information on vaccine myths, questions, and rumors.

     
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  16. Doctor Robert

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    Sorry, I cracked. I couldn't take reading it any more from the sideline.
     
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  17. Genghis352

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    I think YOU might want to take a look at that....not that you will...but just in case, here are some key parts:

    "The SIREN study is a cohort of National Health Service healthcare workers, including 135sites and 44,546 participants across the UK, 35,704* in England, who remain under active follow-up with PCR testing every 2 weeks for COVID-19 by PCR. This cohort had a high seropositivity on recruitment (30% before the second wave) and is now highly vaccinated(95%). The incidence of new infections and potential reinfections in SIREN is monitored and would be expected to rise if a new variant became highly prevalent and was able toescape predominantly vaccine-derived immunity. The frequency of PCR positivity in the SIREN cohort overall has increased in June, after very low levels March to May, but remains low(Figure 10). Of the 35 participants with a new PCR positive since April 2021in the SIREN cohort overall, 28 (80%) occurred 14 days or more following their second vaccine dose. Reinfections remain at very low numbers in individuals previously either PCR positive or seropositive(Figure 11)."

    So, 35 new PCR positive since April 2021 out of 44,546. Seems mighty low.

    Vaccine effectiveness? Vaccine effectiveness!

    Table 8. Vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic disease for Alpha and Delta variants
    Vaccination status Vaccine effectiveness (%)
    Alpha Delta
    Dose 1 49 (46 to 52) 35 (32 to 38)
    Dose 2 89 (87 to 90) 79 (78 to 80


    Table 9. Vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation for Alpha and Delta variants
    Vaccination status Vaccine Effectiveness (%)
    Alpha Delta
    Dose 1 78 (64 to 87) 80 (69 to 88)
    Dose 2 93 (80 to 97) 96 (91 to 98)

    I won't try to rebuild all of Table 4...but Delta variant after 2 doses of vaccine: 7,235. Unvaccinated: 53,822. That pattern bears out through all levels of severity until you get to death where it evens out. So, once again, the vaccine significantly reduces your risk of getting infected and of hospitalization with COVID-19, including the Delta variant. Those who are unvaccinated are much more likely to contract COVID-19 and need higher levels of care. The ONE quibble you could make with that whole article is that 50 people died with a specimen within 28 days who were vaccinated compared to 44 who were unvaccinated.
     
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  18. Pistol Pete

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    Funky cold Moderna....
     
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    I just hope Nwaba is vaccinated cuz he's OLD AF
     
  20. coachbadlee

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    Because the vaccine doesn't work. Simple.
     

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