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MSNBC: Ashcroft's Source For Terror Warning Suspect

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  1. MacBeth

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    Terror threat source called into question

    Ashcroft cites al-Qaida plan, but how credible is the information?

    By Lisa Myers
    Senior investigative correspondent
    NBC News
    Updated: 6:57 p.m. ET May 28, 2004

    WASHINGTON - Earlier this week Attorney General John Ashcroft warned of an attack planned on America for sometime in the coming months. That may happen, but NBC News has learned one of Ashcroft’s sources is highly suspect.

    In warning Americans to brace for a possible attack, Ashcroft cited what he called “credible intelligence from multiple sources,” saying that “just after New Year's, al-Qaida announced openly that preparations for an attack on the United States were 70 percent complete.… After the March 11 attack in Madrid, Spain, an al-Qaida spokesman announced that 90 percent of the arrangements for an attack in the United States were complete.”

    But terrorism experts tell NBC News there's no evidence a credible al-Qaida spokesman ever said that, and the claims actually were made by a largely discredited group, Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades, known for putting propaganda on the Internet.

    “This particular group is not really taken seriously by Western intelligence,” said terrorism expert M.J. Gohel of the Asia-Pacific Foundation, an international policy assessment group. “It does not appear to have any real field operational capability. But it is certainly part of the global jihad movement — part of its propaganda wing, if you like. It likes to weave a web of lies; it likes to put out disinformation so that the truth is deeply buried. So it is a dangerous group in that sense, but it is not taken seriously in terms of its operational capability.”

    The group has claimed responsibility for the power blackout in the Northeast last year, a power outage in London and the Madrid bombing. None of the claims was found to be credible.


    “The only thing they haven't claimed credit for recently is the cicada invasion of Washington,” said expert Roger Cressey, former chief of staff of the critical infrastructure protection board at the White House and now an analyst for NBC News. Cressey also served as deputy to former counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke.



    A senior U.S. intelligence official previously told NBC News that this group has no known operational capability and may be no more than one man with a fax machine.

    Friday, Ashcroft's spokesman blamed the FBI, and the FBI admitted claims that terrorists were 90 percent ready to attack came not from al-Qaida, but from the Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades’ statements.

    That the FBI apparently took the group seriously also troubles experts.

    “To give this group any type of credibility is reckless,” said terrorism expert and NBC analyst Steve Emerson, “because it simply doesn't represent anything but one person claiming credit for attacks that has no control or not connected to, but simply trying to jump on the publicity bandwagon.”

    He believes it reflects a larger failing on the part of the FBI.

    “Portraying this group seriously is simply a reflection of the FBI's continued failures since 9/11 to basically develop an analytic capability at headquarters in assessing terrorist intelligence,” Emerson said.

    Senior intelligence and homeland security officials tell NBC News they were surprised by Ashcroft's claims and know of no credible intelligence that al-Qaida is 90 percent ready to attack. But all agree there is plenty of credible intelligence that al-Qaida has plans in the works, and they hope Ashcroft's use of questionable information doesn’t undermine public trust.

    Ashcroft and Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge issued an unusual joint statement Friday, assuring the American people that “we are working together" against terror. Some critics have suggested there's a disconnect, that the Justice Department did not collaborate with Homeland Security before issuing this week's terror warning.

    © 2004 MSNBC Interactive
     
  2. Faos

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    I'll say it again. Part of me thinks these "warnings" will continue to come out every so often so they can cover their ass when some does happen. They can say, "see, we told you" and not have to answer to people making false accusations in books down the road.
     
  3. GreenVegan76

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    I have no problem with them being overly cautious, and I hate to think that this government might use fear to keep citizens in line.

    Depends on how much you trust your government, I guess.
     
  4. Faos

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    I hope no one here needed a warning to realize the threat of another terrorism incident is likely. I think it's a given.
     
  5. No Worries

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    At least the Bush Admin is doing something about it ...

    like scaring the general public using what they know to be bad intell.

    Four more years!!! I can hardly wait.
     
  6. MacBeth

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    I'd like to say that, in general, I'm all for erring on the side of caution. I'm also not one of those people who particularly holds the administration responsible for 9-11, though I can see the argument.

    That said, there does seem to be a pteern to these warnings, and if this is, as NBC has found, based on highly suspect intel, it would seem to add to the theory that they use this as a means of ratcheting up the fear which has been they're greatest political weapon to date.
     
  7. RocketsPimp

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    I understand why the administration would want to warn the country about the possibility of another attack(wouldn't you warn a family member if you knew something bad could happen?), but seriously what measures is Joe American really going to take?

    Sure we can sterotype and closely watch every middle-eastern man/woman on an airplace from boarding until it's time to exit the plane, but what is to stop something like a cluster of suicide bombers from walking into your average sporting event, school, goverment office, etc and wreaking havoc?

    Basically their warning is just a tactic to cover their ass in case something does happen.
     
  8. MacBeth

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    I'm not sure I agree. I think that, assuming the intel's good, there's a lot more responsibility to warn then simply CYA. Moral responsibility, if nothing else.

    But if they are warning when there isn't good cause, as might be the case here, they might be doing irreperable damage to whatver good can come of warnings down the road, in the manner of boys who cry wolf. And if that's politically motivated...at all...than shame on them.

    I do know that this administration has used fear as it's striking force since 9-11, almost without pause.
     
  9. pgabriel

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    I'm going to buy some duct tape.
     
  10. rimrocker

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    It's clear that this is an administration without a President. I fear that a bunch of different folks are going to take it upon themselves to "Save America" or more likely, "Save Bush," without any kind of guidance or leadership or vetting or concern about the greater ramifications. Gore was right... this is very dangerous period we're entering...
     
  11. GladiatoRowdy

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    I am not worried about false accusations books nearly as much as the accurate accusation books. There seems to be a premium on those these days.
     
  12. Fegwu

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    Talking about people of middle eastern descent, I would not want to be one living in the US today.

    It is unfortunate for the ones living in the US because evryone of them is a suspect by default. It sucks but that is reality......although this issues is hardly discussed.

    A moslem or arabian will face difficulties at work and other public places because of the tense climate we live in today.
     
  13. mateo

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    Ashcroft getting terror info from a fringe group of extremist Muslim crackpots doesn't bother me.

    If he starts getting tips straight from Jesus....well, then I may start worrying.
     

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