It's about moving John Walls contract without giving up assets. Essentially, it allows Cleveland to gain back a significant piece plus a good defender, while only trading KLove and giving up Sexton (which they appear to be ready to move on from) and one lottery protected pick. KLoves contract may be easier to trade next year as an expirer or it would be a cheaper buy out. I see it as a win win.
Only if Rockets get back a young player or FRP. Give Cavs House, Thybulle goes to Rockets. Love is worse than Wall IMO.
Who cares about Love being worse than Wall. This accomplishes a few things: Allows Wall to join a contender (shows Rockets are willing to work with players). Shows the league that the Rockets are willing to help facilitate trades (always good for networking when the league isn't afraid to deal with you thinking you are trying to pull a fast one). Allows Rockets to send Wall out WITHOUT sending out a single asset. Allows the Rockets to save money, thus giving Stone more room to use the MLE if needed later in the season, or take on a little more salary if needed during the trade deadline and not worry about luxury tax (lets face it, there is zero reason for Rockets to even pay luxury tax the next few years). Provides the Cavs two young players, one being a former all star and another being a lock down defender, that meshes well with their ongoing team building. Provides the Wolves the player they covet, Simmons, while only giving up one unprotected pick and Russell, while also gaining another young rotation player. Provides 76ers a good veteran that still has juice in the tank to allow them to continue competing for a championship, while also getting Sexton, an up and coming guard to replace the couple of guards they lost in the trade. They also get one unprotected pick from an incompetent franchise and also gain a lottery protected pick in the process that will eventually convey, protections can be negotiated to make sure it's conveyed at some point. The purpose of this trade is not to gain anything of value for the Rockets besides a cheaper contract with the same timeframe as John's contract. John Wall is deadweight at this point. We actually get K-Love back, which may help (or not) with the development of our big men, while getting back a contract that would be easier to trade when expiring or cheaper to buy-out, depending on the path the Rockets want to pursue.
The purpose of ANY trade is get maximum value. If Stone does not get some trim, even potential trim (like a swap or SRP) then he's not doing it right. Rockets are rebuilding, every little asset makes a difference. You ask for a bit more than your bottom line. Never show your ass when you sit at the negotiating table.
Nah. Rather have a non-playing wall than love. Next year wall will actually a player that some team wants. Love is just a buyout next year at a cheaper price than wall.
Dude you are talking about John ****ing Wall's $91M contract. Stop being so stubborn, you are not going to receive an asset out of it and you are likely going to sit on this contract considering that John is actually going to sit out the season and not build any ****ing value. Not every trade is going to be a win. This isn't even a loss and in fact you do get maximum value. John Wall makes $44M this season, K-Love makes $31M. Next season John Wall makes $47M, K-Love makes $28M. You get a much more tradeable contract for next year as opposed to sitting on Wall's larger contract. Maybe you don't value flexibility and we will agree to disagree, but I surely value it in this situation. My assessment with this trade is that we gain a much more flexible contract to trade for next season and we may even be able to play Love this season and "showcase" him (lol).
I guarantee that Silas values Wall over Love. Even Love on a shorter contract. And with Wall's unique situation, there is absolutely no panic rush to move him.
Is not about what Silas values versus what is better for the Houston Rockets (or even Tilman's pockets, not that I want to defend the man). Think about it, we shave $13M off the current salary situation providing the Rockets the flexibility to take on a player later in the season during the trading deadline that makes a higher salary than what we trade out. It could even mean taking on salary from another team while requesting an additional asset. I don't know, but I feel that flexibility is worth. It also would allow Stone to use the full MLE if necessary during the season (it shouldn't be necessary, but it would create that flexibility).
We'll see. CF loves to posit Love trades but we've nary a whisper that Stone has ever been interested.
Personally I have no interest in Love the player, I have interest in him regarding his salary. Anything else he provides is a cherry on top.
If it ain't a Wall+ for Simmons+ then it ain't worth nothing. They need to get Simmons on this team next to Wood. It's just too perfect a match.
How is it a good match? I am curious why you think this. In this scenario is Simmons the primary ball-handler? If so, where is KPJ fitting in? Without the ball Simmons is a net negative. With the ball, Simmons is good enough (not as a shooter) that we are looking at middling/lousy drafts and first-round playoff exits as our ceiling for the next 4 years until his toxic contract is done. I would rather we be without Simmons, develop our guys even if it means next year sucks (again) and be in a better position to have a team that is actually legit in 2-3 years.
If you zoom out we already got the young player from them, KPJ. In totality it's Wall + Jarett Allen for KPJ, Love and the pick we got last year. That seems fair. When there is trust and mutual respect between GMs you can lose a bit in a trade then make it up in the next trade. If you only look to get an edge and treat your colleagues as imbeciles they'll freeze you out. Basic How to Act in Society 101
You really believe a team full of FRP will be championship contenders in just 2-3 seasons?!? Assuming none or even majority don't bust amirite?
I just have one question .... What does his lack of / inability to shoot do to the offense ? If we look back to Westbrook shooting 29% from 3 and how that derailed the offense with an all time great in James Harden opposite him .... Now you've got a worse shooter in Simmons and don't have James Harden getting to the rim at will , you don't see similar issues with even greater consequence ? Then there's the FT issues .... 32.8% in the playoffs. The Wizards beat them in game 4 with that hackaBen strategy Doc Rivers sat him for a long time in the 4th quarter in game six , even used his last time out to get him off the floor so the Hawks couldn't hack him again. Game 7 he gave you 5 points & 8 boards .... You can literally force this guy off the court in multiple ways ... Yeah , he's a good defender and if he agrees to play the 4 / 5 it might work out , but if it doesn't , You've compounded the problem you had with Wall's bad contract by another two years. I don't have any interest in paying that guy $40million.
