There certainly are a lot of different ways to interpret the numbers. Now that the Rockets have confirmed they are all vaccinated, this is all probably more appropriate for the Hangout.
lol this idiot just said that virus particles are too small to be prevented by going through your mask (um virus particles do not float in the air and infect people… much bigger respiratory droplets carrying viruses do that and that’s what masks are for and that’s why doctors wear masks while operating on people you dumbass. The medical profession should have consulted you the wise oracle a long time ago.. we’ve been mistakenly wearing masks for decades hahaha! We need to consult you to eliminate masks in hospitals worldwide!! Bc you did your own research .. Er I mean repeated something you heard on your favorite news network!) …aaaand then you think that oxygen molecules are too big to get through the mask ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah I mean come on do people not know how stupid they are, it really can’t be true but it is. I’m so sorry I’m getting political, and by political I mean factual. Also the mortality of covid is at least 0.18%, so 500 times more likely than the number you pulled out of your ass you dum… that’s 0.18% of the whole population not just of everyone who has covid (covid mortality is by definition higher)
Wrong - they should also get the vaccine because you can catch it more than once and be a carrier for others. Think of it a doing what is right for the WHOLE COMMUNITY - like the Polio vaccine, or the Small pox vaccine, or the measles vaccine or the ...well you get the point. Again, zero reason not to get it, the shot is free, safe and protects yourself, and others. If you are listening to politicians tell you what is right and wrong, there is not much hope for you anyway. DD
Nah, why bother? Do your own homework, The poster I was replying to said the CDC numbers said you have a .0004% chance of dying from COVID if you catch it, and I corrected him because the CDC's numbers actually say a 1.6% chance.
Yeah it’s so great doctors love covid that’s why they have shut down all elective surgeries in most of the hospitals and turned half the hospital into ICUs and the pulmonary critical care doctors are working nonstop icu shifts taking care of covid patients, 90% of which are unvaccinated and some of which are uninsured, to the point that they feel too guilty to go take a day off or go on vacation and most of them need psychiatric help from the stress. It’s great you should ask them how much fun they’re having taking advantage of covid! I’m sure the hospital is making so much money by having to close down their elective surgery wing (which usually makes the most money in the hospital) and turn the whole hospital into an ER, every body loves intubating a patient and having them spend a month in hospital and then not getting paid for any of it when you realize they are uninsured or underinsured! It’s the best way to get rich! Ka-Ching!!
This is a response I respect and understand, even if I don't necessarily agree. I also do allow for the fact there are in fact some people that really do digest this information and make decisions on it no differently than most other important decisions in their life, but that to me would probably not be the norm. I will also add one additional semi-related thought: an economist I respect was posed the question, when will this pandemic be over? And she responded, not to be cute, but it's over when you think it's over. On a personal basis, it is over when you believe that the level of risk to you and your loved ones is at a level you can accept while doing all the things you want to do. With that in mind, for me personally it's over when my kids are vaccinated and no longer need to wear masks in schools (I believe in masks, but the studies on their effectiveness for children are mixed, but the studies on their detriment toward learning in young children are uniformly discouraging). At that point I'll concern myself less with what people who choose to be unvaccinated do, and if I make an argument for or against their treatment in hospitals being changed based on their decision, I'll remember that the same argument can be held against my parents who I love but smoked for many years while knowing the dangers (and is also contagious in a sense too), and of course against me too, as I am not above knowingly, or mistakenly making bad health decisions (although of course a vaccine skeptic will argue knowledge is different in that they do not believe they are making a bad decision, I merely make the comparison because a vaccine supporter would argue the net effect is the same, strain of resources by people who could have made different decisions). Sorry didn't mean to post so much about this in a basketball forum...might have hit a nerve because this isn't something that we agree on in my extended family and it's been tremendously stressful trying to figure out what are reasonable and unreasonable positions to hold regarding contact with unvaccinated family members and our young kids. I'll stick to sports now.
Tell me the name of the doctor. This doctor is a scam artist. I don’t why you or anyone else would sit on this information. This doctor is basically stealing from all of us. You don’t care? People like you who think this is “free money” are as crooked as the doctor.
His uncle had the flu and died in a car accident but it was reported as Covid AND his sister works as a coder for a shady doctor using Covid to scam for government money. Coincidentally he thinks covid is just another flu. I believe him 100% and look forward to learning more in the future!
I'm just saying those that don't get vaccinated because they claim it is like the flu and then claim to need an ICU bed should just not be helped anymore. Make them deal with it as if it were the flu and make them stay home. If they want to deal with the burning lungs or whatever it is, let them. Just not at the expense of a Hospital that are now jam packed.
Vaccinated people can pass it as well lol. You can also get the virus and become very sick. What OTHER people choose 2 do with their bodies is not anybody else’s business. People are getting beside themselves Yeah but if youre healthy and taking other remedies to strengthen you’re immune system, a vaccine isnt needed. Plus nobody knows the long term effects of the vaccine. You have no idea what you're putting in your body. The only nonsense is ppl waving their fingers at others for not taking a vaccine you know nothing about
Then how come we have laws for smoking in public, or intoxication in public, or drunk driving? Or drug laws? In pretty much every great state in our union, unvaxxed case rates are higher, unvaxxed hospitalization rates are much higher and unvaxxed death rates are much higher. Also unvaxxed case rates seem to be even higher than other unvaxxed case rates in states that have lower vax rates overall. At least in America, the data seems to support the vaccination being effective at limiting the spread of covid, and the impact of that spread on those that catch it, as far as i can tell. I am pretty sure there is not long-term effect of vaccines... ASSUMING there hasn't been a short-term effect. In other words, vaccine side effects come relatively immediately. And indeed, some of them CAN be BAD! But after a few weeks, there's no "new" side effects, absent any new issues that might arise from the original side effects, if that makes sense. Side effects is a valid reason to be cautious about getting the COVID vaccine... though I'd say if you are anti-COVID vaccine, then you should be anti every vaccine, given what i noted. Indeed, you should be anti almost every medicine. All medicines have side effects, and most can have pretty nasty ones. I was messed up from a certain antibiotic use for like a year just with stomach and other associated issues (it was a hard core antibiotic that i shouldn't have been prescribed in the first place). I am very cautious about what i put in my body...
I looked through the thread and noticed that it has devolved into a back and forth concerning a variety of disagreements about Covid-19, instead of a thread about whether the players on our team have been vaccinated against Covid-19, the original topic of the OP. Just in case anyone missed it, here's the OP from @Doctor Robert: That seems pretty straight forward, in my opinion. In fact, I see nothing in it to warrant a political discussion about Covid-19, which in my opinion ought to be in the forum @Clutch created in order to keep politics out of the GARM, Dish, Hangout and the like - Debate and Discussion, or D&D. It's unfortunate that what many would ordinarily have viewed as a public health issue has been politicized, but it since it has, perhaps much of what we're seeing here belongs in D&D? Just a thought.
The vaccine does not prevent you from catching it. At best, it may possibly prevent your symptoms from being as severe. The CDC can’t tell you exactly how effective it is, they don’t know. The polio vaccine after 3-4 doses is 99-100% effective. Your not comparing apples to apples and no one can answer what the long term side effects of this vaccine are. They don’t know that either. FWIW I’m not anti vaxxer, I do however feel this needs to be like any other vaccine where you and your health care physician make a personal, well informed decision based on your own health risks and concerns.
Is that not more than enough reason to take the vaccine? I'm not taking the chance of getting very ill or worst. If you're worried about the long term effects of the vaccine, what about the long term effects of covid? Feel like i rather not have to deal with a virus but thats me lol
Man I’m so sick and tired of people like you. For the last two years all I’ve done is see idiots like you come into my IcU scared for their lives, begging me to save them, asking if there’s anything else I can do to keep them from dying. You selfish assholes are the reason I no longer have any empathy left. My entire IcU gets filled to the brim with selfish ****s who won’t get vaxxed or stay safe. They take up my ICU resources and time. Their families expect me to save them even though there is no cure when they’re in that situation. You know what could have saved you? The vaccine. I never see any of the idiots stop drinking alcohol or smoking cigs or vaping or eating processed foods. But a vaccine that every leading scientist globally is telling you to get? No of course you can’t be bothered. I don’t personally have any empathy left for you. What I do have left is for all the patients you keep me and my staff from treating. For every COVIDIoT we have to treat there’s another unlucky septic shock or cancer complication that is waiting on beds. Call me a socialist or a leftist or a communist. But it doesn’t change the fact that you’re a selfish arrogant ignorant human being.
Sounds like you desperately need to change career paths. It seems you don't have what it takes for your current path.
I knew you were a dumbshit to Nth degree. Now you've just proved it to everyone. Pandemic is a public health issue, think bubonic plague or ebola. Freedoms, even the freedom to be stupid, can be suspended in times of national crisis. 911 did not kill nearly as many people but many more freedoms, freedoms actually protected specifically in the Constitution, were restricted. Albeit temporarily.